England name central contracts for the next 12 months - Vaughan included?!?!?

[four_or_six]

Think of all the bowlers who were ahead of Darren Pattinson at Queensland last summer.

And then realise truly how far down the pecking-order he has gone. As I say - a contract of any sort was always OOTQ at this juncture. Someone, somewhere, for some abstract reason, has simply decided he's never going to play for England again.

I begin to wonder, TBH, whether there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Hoggard and MSP, for instance, obviously never got-on well.

Victoria.

 

[TheEpic]

I begin to wonder, TBH, whether there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Hoggard and MSP, for instance, obviously never got-on well.

What, really? How do you know this?

 

[fredfertang]

Difficult to imagine the Hogster falling out with anyone, or indeed Monty, as both seem affable characters - looking forward to hearing about any spat

 

[Richard]

Victoria.

Haha, true. Don't know where on Earth that came from.

 

[Richard]

What, really? How do you know this?

Difficult to imagine the Hogster falling out with anyone, or indeed Monty, as both seem affable characters - looking forward to hearing about any spat

It's funny, I've mentioned this before and people have been very sceptical.

I'm somewhat surprised, however, that no-one has noticed the slightest of disaffection. The first thing I noted was in the India tour, when the two of them bowled in tandem lots. Hoggard commented after one game that it wasn't ideal bowling with him because he got through his overs so quickly you had no time to rest. If you read it on paper you'd presume it was a completely sans-seriousness comment, but listening to it he honestly did seem mildly irritated. I can't remember what the next thing was, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with MSP's inevitable woeful fielding - I'm fairly sure he dropped a sitter off his bowling at some point in 2006. You know, too, that Hoggard would not be alone in being frustrated by this - witness Sidebottom's anger at Headingley in 2008. As a bowler, you just don't expect fielders that poor at international level - as I've said, I'm a better fielder than him and I barely practice my fielding.

The final piece of interesting material was given me by a CW poster, a Kiwi - during the NZ tour last winter after Hoggard had been left-out, MSP made some hopeless misfield and this poster, sitting near some England players in some place or other, heard Hoggard say "trust that guy to mess things up", and not in a particularly jokey way either.

It is odd, but I can more than understand how a fielder that poor could cause disillusionment among fellow bowlers.

 

[andruid]

Where's Darren Pattinson?

They are still saving up to offer him a special super-contract

 

[fredfertang]

It's funny, I've mentioned this before and people have been very sceptical.

I'm somewhat surprised, however, that no-one has noticed the slightest of disaffection. The first thing I noted was in the India tour, when the two of them bowled in tandem lots. Hoggard commented after one game that it wasn't ideal bowling with him because he got through his overs so quickly you had no time to rest. If you read it on paper you'd presume it was a completely sans-seriousness comment, but listening to it he honestly did seem mildly irritated. I can't remember what the next thing was, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with MSP's inevitable woeful fielding - I'm fairly sure he dropped a sitter off his bowling at some point in 2006. You know, too, that Hoggard would not be alone in being frustrated by this - witness Sidebottom's anger at Headingley in 2008. As a bowler, you just don't expect fielders that poor at international level - as I've said, I'm a better fielder than him and I barely practice my fielding.

The final piece of interesting material was given me by a CW poster, a Kiwi - during the NZ tour last winter after Hoggard had been left-out, MSP made some hopeless misfield and this poster, sitting near some England players in some place or other, heard Hoggard say "trust that guy to mess things up", and not in a particularly jokey way either.

It is odd, but I can more than understand how a fielder that poor could cause disillusionment among fellow bowlers.

Well it has to be said that the average yorkshireman is delightful company until he has to put his hand in his pocket - so I dare say its inevitably the case that he will be as parsimonious with his runs against column as he will with his brass - as you say Sidebottom was raging at Monty at Headingley and I am quite happy to accept that the Hogster may have similar "concerns"

 

[four_or_six]

Haha, true. Don't know where on Earth that came from.

Sorry... since you're normally right I couldn't resist correcting you

 

[Langeveldt]

Good to see England's administrators are cooking up a refreshing new look at the game of cricket..

 

[GIMH]

 

[Richard]

Good to see England's administrators are cooking up a refreshing new look at the game of cricket..

Presume you're referring to the lack of a wicketkeeper?

Don't you remember we had exactly the same wicketkeepers-without-contracts situation just 2 years ago?

 

[GIMH]

Pretty sure we did the year before that as well, when Jones and Read were vying for the gloves

 

[Richard]

Nah, that was the 2-years-ago situation to which I refer TBH.

In 2005/06 it was Jones alone.

 

[GIMH]

Completely misread your post, somehow, and thought it said 12 months.

As you say, the last time a keeper had a contract was Jones in 05-06, since then they haven't give one and the gloves have been tossed round like a hot potato

 

[Richard]

And given the inadequacy of wicketkeeper-batsmen in this country at the current time - not surprisingly.

 

[Uppercut]

Good to see England's administrators are cooking up a refreshing new look at the game of cricket..

Took me ages to see what was wrong with that. God i'm slow.

 

[FBU]

Wicketkeeper Contracts

00/01 - Stewart
02- Foster
03 Stewart
04- None
05/06 - Jones
07/08/09 - None

 

[Langeveldt]

Presume you're referring to the lack of a wicketkeeper?

Don't you remember we had exactly the same wicketkeepers-without-contracts situation just 2 years ago?

Yes, but I wasn't taking literally everything quite so seriously..

 

[Richard]

What, you weren't taking it seriously enough to post that pic 2 years ago? For shame.

 

[pup11]

Shocked at how Mascarenhas has been treated ATM.

TBH, i think he would do a much better job then Wright, Mascarenhas has proved that he can bat pretty well lower down the order and he can also bowl decent overs too, so he can be a pretty handy player to have in Odi cricket.