Symonds sent home

[Precambrian]

But hey, never mind that our new captain cant buy a run against Bangla- friggin-desh because he "presents himself" and "wants" to play

Hold on, you are getting in to un wanted territory, you can rant all much you want for your idol, but that doesn't necessarily mean debasing other nations.

 

[howardj]

I'd make exceptions for Ponting, Hayden, Lee, Clark and Hussey before I would Symonds.

Before you know it, that's half the friggin' team.

Little point in that case in having any rules or expectations, is there?

Suddenly you have a rabble like Pakistan on your hands.

Apologies to my fellow CW Pakistanis.

 

[Perm]

No.. seriously what are CA trying to achieve by humiliating Symonds so publicly, this has to stop, has anybody heard Symonds utter a single word in the media or rebel against CA in any given way, so why are these morons trying to blow up the whole issue to massive proportions, after reading this, i think its CA who needs "professional help" and not Symonds.

You're almost as bad as social on this issue.

Cricket Australia aren't trying to 'publicly humiliate Symonds' as you so ignorantly put it. Have you got any idea about media conferences and press releases? The cricketing world wants to know what is going on with Symonds, and the journalists will ask questions of those from CA and team management regarding the issue. They aren't morons for answering questions, they're simply telling the cricketing population what is going on and how they are dealing with the indiscretions made by Symond. Pretty standard sort of management communication really.

 

[pup11]

It's all about limiting their liability

As his employer, CA has a duty of care towards Symonds

Never mind that it got bugger all to do with on field performances and never mind that 2 of his closest mates (Watson and Hayden) have both publicly stated that they've seen no change in him (which, mind you, is the problem for CA but not such a big deal when he's scoring 100s against India rather than playing a minnow)

CA wants drones in the mould of Michael Clarke

But hey, never mind that our new captain cant buy a run against Bangla- friggin-desh because he "presents himself" and "wants" to play

This is where you are going wrong, Symonds is not completely innocent and he is not being victimised, he did something that didn't go down well with the team-management so they asked him to leave, and he did that too, but after that CA has been making a big issue about this incident when really nothing of that sort is required, Symonds is not a baby, if he does something wrong he would also realise after a while, so if he thinks he needs "professional help" than he would ask for it, but to force something like this on him isn't fair, and that's the part i have a problem with.
Btw, just because Symonds is an important player i don't think he should get VIP treatment, every bloke who makes it to the Australian cricket, work equally hard to break into the side , so they should all be treated equally, irrespective of their stature and seniority in the side.

 

[pup11]

You're almost as bad as social on this issue.

Cricket Australia aren't trying to 'publicly humiliate Symonds' as you so ignorantly put it. Have you got any idea about media conferences and press releases? The cricketing world wants to know what is going on with Symonds, and the journalists will ask questions of those from CA and team management regarding the issue. They aren't morons for answering questions, they're simply telling the cricketing population what is going on and how they are dealing with the indiscretions made by Symond. Pretty standard sort of management communication really.

Now journalists can't force them to say something they don't wnat can they, they could have easily made a statement that "Andrew has been banned for this series, and he would be avaliable for team selection for the next series, or whenever he makes himself avaliable for selection", now is that really that hard.

 

[Precambrian]

And by jove, what is that Symonds have done to deserve ''kid glove'' treatment? He proved to be a liar in the Bhajji case, where he initially said Bhajji used the m word conclusively and later before the commission retracted by saying it may have been the m word. Such kind of an unstable person needs help.

 

[social]

So, on the one hand, you blow up about Slater not receiving professional help when you claim he needed it. And yet, on the other hand, when CA offer professional help to Symonds it's somehow wrong? I'm not sure what the guy needs, but clearly going fishing when you know a team meeting is on, is not a normal way for a member of a professional team to act. Nor has he, according to his teammates, been acting normally for quite some time. Again, I would trust the judgement of people like Ponting and Clarke more than I would most others, especially guys who haven't been around the team.

Totally different scenarios

It was well known that Slater's personal life was a shambles and that was reflected in his poor on field performances and off field behaviour

His position became untenable and they couldnt wait to get rid of him and barely took a backward glance

Symonds' personal life is apparently fine and his on field performances are better than ever yet he supposedly needs therapy based on the "diagnosis" of people he supposedly doesnt get on with in the hierarchy

There are usually 2 sides to every story and, as I've said before, CA should be looking having a close look at a management team that has allowed this situation to get so out of hand.

BTW, it's also no secret that Brett Lee has fallen out with Michael Clarke as well.

I guess he'll be the next into therapy

 

[Uppercut]

And by jove, what is that Symonds have done to deserve ''kid glove'' treatment? He proved to be a liar in the Bhajji case, where he initially said Bhajji used the m word conclusively and later before the commission retracted by saying it may have been the m word. Such kind of an unstable person needs help.

I do believe it's socially acceptable to say "Bhaji called him a monkey". If we started replacing it with "the m word" trips to the zoo could soon become might confusing.

 

[Uppercut]

Totally different scenarios

It was well known that Slater's personal life was a shambles and that was reflected in his poor on field performances and off field behaviour

His position became untenable and they couldnt wait to get rid of him and barely took a backward glance

Symonds' personal life is apparently fine and his on field performances are better than ever yet he supposedly needs therapy based on the "diagnosis" of people he supposedly doesnt get on with in the hierarchy

There are usually 2 sides to every story and, as I've said before, CA should be looking having a close look at a management team that has allowed this situation to get so out of hand.

BTW, it's also no secret that Brett Lee has fallen out with Michael Clarke as well.

I guess he'll be the next into therapy

Clarke has the unenviable task of being vice-captain to many more senior players in the team, there'll inevitably be a lot of friction. Similar to when Graeme Smith took over the SA captaincy.

 

[Precambrian]

Totally different scenarios

It was well known that Slater's personal life was a shambles and that was reflected in his poor on field performances and off field behaviour

His position became untenable and they couldnt wait to get rid of him and barely took a backward glance

Symonds' personal life is apparently fine and his on field performances are better than ever yet he supposedly needs therapy based on the "diagnosis" of people he supposedly doesnt get on with in the hierarchy

There are usually 2 sides to every story and, as I've said before, CA should be looking having a close look at a management team that has allowed this situation to get so out of hand.

BTW, it's also no secret that Brett Lee has fallen out with Michael Clarke as well.

I guess he'll be the next into therapy

Ever since the IPL talks came up (just before CB series), Symonds international performance has taken a downward curve and his comments regarding IPL and the Pakistan tour did put Cricket Australia under some discomfort. He was a marked man all along since then. However, IPL has issued statement that it will not welcome Symonds if he quits international cricket. A very good step.

 

[duffer]

CA could barr Symonds from the IPL if he doesn't pull his head in

Expecting a full apology lickety split.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Ever since the IPL talks came up (just before CB series), Symonds international performance has taken a downward curve and his comments regarding IPL and the Pakistan tour did put Cricket Australia under some discomfort. He was a marked man all along since then. However, IPL has issued statement that it will not welcome Symonds if he quits international cricket. A very good step.

Symonds was still pretty good in the WI, which was after the bidding and stuff for the IPL though.

 

[duffer]

Matter of time before another player comes along, gets pillored in the media for something like this then kills himself? Not all that likely but a possibility. Imagine the fall-out from that.

Heh, reminds me of a South Park episode where Britney Spears commited suicide thanks to the media.

And if you're expecting a fall out from something like that then you'll be disappointed, they'll just move on to a fresher target. There is very little dignity left in journalism.

 

[andyc]

BTW, it's also no secret that Brett Lee has fallen out with Michael Clarke as well.

I guess he'll be the next into therapy

... It isn't? Source?

 

[duffer]

BTW, it's also no secret that Brett Lee has fallen out with Michael Clarke as well.

I guess he'll be the next into therapy

Good lord you do spout some bollocks. Please back up what you say.

 

[Top_Cat]

And by jove, what is that Symonds have done to deserve ''kid glove'' treatment? He proved to be a liar in the Bhajji case, where he initially said Bhajji used the m word conclusively and later before the commission retracted by saying it may have been the m word. Such kind of an unstable person needs help.

Crap. He backed down because he had to. No-one in the Aussie set-up had heard of Maa-ki and Symonds said he heard monkey but had to acknowledge in the heat of the moment, with crowd noise, etc. that he might have misheard it. It was never shown that he lied, only that he was mistaken.

 

[Craig]

Ever since the IPL talks came up (just before CB series), Symonds international performance has taken a downward curve and his comments regarding IPL and the Pakistan tour did put Cricket Australia under some discomfort. He was a marked man all along since then. However, IPL has issued statement that it will not welcome Symonds if he quits international cricket. A very good step.

Symonds ended up losing his columm in the Sunday Mail (Brisbane paper) because Symond's columm had to be ghost-written by a Cricket Australia PR goon, and the SM did not want such censorship.

 

[howardj]

Totally different scenarios

It was well known that Slater's personal life was a shambles and that was reflected in his poor on field performances and off field behaviour

His position became untenable and they couldnt wait to get rid of him and barely took a backward glance

Symonds' personal life is apparently fine and his on field performances are better than ever yet he supposedly needs therapy based on the "diagnosis" of people he supposedly doesnt get on with in the hierarchy

There are usually 2 sides to every story and, as I've said before, CA should be looking having a close look at a management team that has allowed this situation to get so out of hand.

Pardon me, but Symonds is the person who has allowed it to get out of hand. FFS, when will you accept that maybe, just maybe, the journos, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Neilsen and CA know a little bit more than you do, sitting in front of your keyboard, about the situation? This 33 YEAR OLD has had several chances, and now he thinks he's a victim.... in which case he does need some heavy duty counselling.

 

[pasag]

Ever since the IPL talks came up (just before CB series), Symonds international performance has taken a downward curve...

His finest Test innings came after the IPL though, in the West Indies and he was quite good in the one-day series also. The only other series before then was the CB one-dayers where most of the batsmen had a pretty poor run in bowler friendly conditions.

 

[Precambrian]

I agree he had a decent run in WI, which was post his commitments in IPL. In fact, i was referring to the CB series failure anyway.

But a goof up's one, and i admit i should've checked my facts with bit more care.