Geraint Jones... a forgotten hero?

[The Masterplan]

In fairness to him, in the ultimate pressure situation at Edgbaston in 2005, he didn't crumble - he took the catch on which the Ashes rested.

so why cant the selectors give him another go

 

[fredfertang]

I fear mention of "that catch" may bring howls of anguish from certain quarters

 

[zaremba]

Because Kasper's hand was off the bat when he gloved it? Not relevant to Jones' bottle in taking the catch, Fertang.

 

[zaremba]

so why cant the selectors give him another go

Because he wasn't, and isn't, very good

 

[fredfertang]

Because Kasper's hand was off the bat when he gloved it? Not relevant to Jones' bottle in taking the catch, Fertang.

His hand wasn't off the bat at all - that is an evil untruth put about by Australians - the Umpire said it was out, my eyes saw it was out and Wisden says it was out - no howls of anguish from me My Learned Friend

 

[GIMH]

And he should have already been given out anyway tbh

 

[zaremba]

Indeed he should.

And but for rain we would have won the series 4-1.

 

[GIMH]

I've always shied clear of saying it would have been 4 tbh. But for rain the Test at The Oval would have been so different, the circumstances dictated a lot in that match. That being said, Flintoff's bowling on the Sunday morning was just awesome. For me that was just as important as Pietersen's knock. Sure, Flintoff had the gloom and the situation, but Pietersen had two drops and another half-chance.

 

[The Masterplan]

I live of the ashes success of 2005, lets hope the current crop can emulate years gone by

 

[fredfertang]

I've always shied clear of saying it would have been 4 tbh. But for rain the Test at The Oval would have been so different, the circumstances dictated a lot in that match. That being said, Flintoff's bowling on the Sunday morning was just awesome. For me that was just as important as Pietersen's knock. Sure, Flintoff had the gloom and the situation, but Pietersen had two drops and another half-chance.

Who cares? Over the summer as a whole, to quote the great Bumble out of context "we flippin' murdered 'em" - gongs wholly deserved (and Colly's too)

 

[GIMH]

LOL yeah I don't actually care, went off on one a bit there just don't think it would have been 4-1. Might stick The Oval on DVD in a bit when the missus goes to bed, that spell from Flintoff....

(yes I am a Flintoff fanboy who cares?!

 

[fredfertang]

LOL yeah I don't actually care, went off on one a bit there just don't think it would have been 4-1. Might stick The Oval on DVD in a bit when the missus goes to bed, that spell from Flintoff....

(yes I am a Flintoff fanboy who cares?!

Nothing wrong with that mate - it was like the resurrection today - next year may yet go the way of 2005

Hope his surgeon gets a gong too

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The point is its clear that Ambrose doesnt have the technique. Even if he got a lucky score here and there it wouldnt be something thats going to happen regularly vs good bowling. So why are we perserving with him?

 

[GIMH]

TBH if we're going with 4 bowlers, he bats at 8. An average of 25-30 suffices there for mine.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

No. You can't ignore batting (in)ability. A keeper needs to score some runs to be worthy of his place. That's why Alan Knott > Bob Taylor. Taylor was the better keeper, but Knott the more valuable player overall.

I don't agree that Taylor was a better keeper than Knott, but even if you take that point of view it's marginal and both are all time greats on their on keeping alone. This present bunch are nowhere near good enough with bat or gloves, in fact they're an embarrassment to the position.

 

[fredfertang]

I don't agree that Taylor was a better keeper than Knott, but even if you take that point of view it's marginal and both are all time greats on their on keeping alone. This present bunch are nowhere near good enough with bat or gloves, in fact they're an embarrassment to the position.

Have to agree with you there - I recall sometime in the early 70's Knott dropping a catch - I was amazed as I didn't realise that ever happened - as I was 12 or 13 my view is largely irrelevant but what also struck me was that Jim Laker nearly choked he was so surprised -he and Taylor were incomparable - better than Jack Russell who in turn was better than anything we have seen since his time - wicket keeping as a discipline has steadily gone backwards in the last 30 years

 

[zaremba]

I sense a fruitless debate on the Knott/Taylor front. To be honest they were both a bit before my time and even if I'd been around I wouldn't be well-qualified to make any meaningful assessment of their respective keeping skills.

But certainly most cricket writers that I've read would subscribe to the view I expressed above.

 

[BHG86]

I'm a believer in picking a keeper who is an excellent wicketkeeper primarily, but interestingly enough, when Uppercut mentioned he thought McCullum to be the best keeper in International Cricket atm, I thought to myself that that was perhaps true, but I'd still rather have Sangakkara in my side. Surprised myself in fairness.

 

[Uppercut]

I'm a believer in picking a keeper who is an excellent wicketkeeper primarily, but interestingly enough, when Uppercut mentioned he thought McCullum to be the best keeper in International Cricket atm, I thought to myself that that was perhaps true, but I'd still rather have Sangakkara in my side. Surprised myself in fairness.

I'd rather have him in the side too, because he's an incredible batsman. Sangakkara's standard with the gloves, though, have declined horribly. When he had to keep for a test in the WI series, and again in the IPL, he looked like he'd never done it before. If you have a solid keeper like P Jayawardena, pick Sangakkara as a specialist batsman. If there's no other option available behind the stumps, it has to be McCullum i believe. Unless Murali is also in your side, then you want Sanga keeping.

 

[steds]

yes I am a Flintoff fanboy who cares?!

I do. ****ing twit ran Jimmy out.