*Official* Season XIV Contract Thread

[NZTailender]

And, I think the contract system, while trying to curb the amount of internationals, is fundamentally wrong in that aspect.

It shouldn't be about penalising a team that HAS internationals, rather it should be about trying to stop an influx of internationals JOINING the same team.

The contract system being introduced after internationals joined, or were already at Black, is akin to shutting the barn door after the bull has bolted.


The contract system does help restrict player movement, i.e. a player cannot be released unless mutually agreed or he is off contract. That way a contracted player, if he was at Blue but still had 2 years to serve and wanted to go to Black, couldn't without penalty. This is a good thing. What currently is happening, is not good.

 

[chaminda_00]

Depending on the schedule. There weren't as many internationals unavailable for selection in season 13 compared to earlier seasons IIRC.

There are times that Australia play a home series and in between games, internationals could theoretically go home and play for their home side, but they don't because they don't want to risk injury etc. Perhaps when a series starts in CWLand the internationals should be out for every game during the time the seriesare played.

At the moment, an international can play a test thats simmed one day, an FC thats simmed the next, then test thats simmed the day after, or whenever.

That is, if you want to talk about realism which we've been trying to achieve with this league. I can't think of too many domestic leagues that restricts us like this contract system does.

Comes back to Kyle's point earlier. Either you have a system that means your international players hardly play for your club, like what happens IRL. Or a system like this where there is system to limit the number of international players for each side.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Why don't we just adjust everyones stats so all the batsman average exactly fifty and the bowlers exactly 25?

Impossible by 'rithmetic, sir...

Also, enjoyment factor usually comes from team atmosphere. Black shouldn't be penalised if people want to play for them, because they IMO have the best team atmosphere in the forum. Other teams should be making an environment where people want to play for them just as much as Black.

Black have largely built that on trench warfare though, not pleasing for everyone (I know they're at the bottom of my list of clubs I would join). Besides, there comes a point where the environment is good enough that no one really would like to leave (I'd say most teams have that at present for their active players, actually).

At the moment, an international can play a test thats simmed one day, an FC thats simmed the next, then test thats simmed the day after, or whenever.

Stopping this is hardly a suggestion designed to stop moaning.

It shouldn't be about penalising a team that HAS internationals, rather it should be about trying to stop an influx of internationals JOINING the same team.

The contract system being introduced after internationals joined, or were already at Black, is akin to shutting the barn door after the bull has bolted.

This is true. And I'm willing to consider a system where central contracts are only counted on the central contract status of players when the contract was signed. Don't take that as official yet, just throwing out an idea.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

This is true. And I'm willing to consider a system where central contracts are only counted on the central contract status of players when the contract was signed. Don't take that as official yet, just throwing out an idea.

Now that is a much better idea.

However, it's only a stop gap for us atm, but I'll take whatever I can get at the moment.

 

[NZTailender]

Impossible by 'rithmetic, sir...

Simming averages, I meant.

Black have largely built that on trench warfare though, not pleasing for everyone (I know they're at the bottom of my list of clubs I would join). Besides, there comes a point where the environment is good enough that no one really would like to leave (I'd say most teams have that at present for their active players, actually).

Tbh, I'd be more tempted to join Black first, followed by Green, Red then Blue. And I rank that mainly on activity and which team that would seem like the most fun to join (Colts coming in a close second to Blacks, itbt).

Agreed with regards to where no one would like to leave. Most people are moving around this season, it would seem, to either get more game time or because their old team doesn't want them anymore/can't afford to have them.

Stopping this is hardly a suggestion designed to stop moaning.

I don't think it should be stopped, just re-addressed and re-designed.

This is true. And I'm willing to consider a system where central contracts are only counted on the central contract status of players when the contract was signed. Don't take that as official yet, just throwing out an idea.

Possibly the best idea thrown about in regards to the contract system.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Just making sure Green know this: Refer to point #5

Mitcheh costs 5 points regardless of his D ranking.

 

[chaminda_00]

This is true. And I'm willing to consider a system where central contracts are only counted on the central contract status of players when the contract was signed. Don't take that as official yet, just throwing out an idea.

In theory wouldn't that just **** over CW Red. As they signed Watt, Kennett, Dauth and yourself when they had central contracts. So that one five point pen for having one extra CC player. Plus another one if Clapham re-signs as contracted player.

Hadn't done the maths but pretty sure that would mean you might have release someone else apart from just Manju.

 

[NZTailender]

In theory wouldn't that just **** over CW Red. As they signed Watt, Kennett, Dauth and yourself when they had central contracts. So that one five point pen for having one extra CC player. Plus another one if Clapham re-signs as contracted player.

Hadn't done the maths but pretty sure that would mean you might have release someone else apart from just Manju.

Oh noes, someone else having to suffer because of the contract system.

 

[chaminda_00]

Oh noes, someone else having to suffer because of the contract system.

Wasn't the whole point of suggesting changes to the contract system, so players weren't forced out of club due to the system. Kind of defeats the purpose of making a change if all it does it allow one club to keep all its players and another club to lose a player they might want to stay and the club wants to keep them.

Basically just making rules to just suit one club or another really.

What Hak suggested is a bit more realistic, but in some ways defeats the purpose of making the change in the first place.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Arnold has officially retired from CW Cricket (so devvo), so it frees up 4 points, FTR.

I'd also like to make my complaint re: Stedman's grading official. Until an official CWBCC verdict is given, I won't make any contract moves.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Contract?

Would be happy to sign one that's less than five years. Five is an awful long time - maybe three?

 

[NZTailender]

Wasn't the whole point of suggesting changes to the contract system, so players weren't forced out of club due to the system. Kind of defeats the purpose of making a change if all it does it allow one club to keep all its players and another club to lose a player they might want to stay and the club wants to keep them.

Basically just making rules to just suit one club or another really.

What Hak suggested is a bit more realistic, but in some ways defeats the purpose of making the change in the first place.

It will make things more balanced and fair. See bull and barn gate comment.

 

[oz_fan]

CW Black offer Blake Donald a two year deal.

Confirmed.

 

[chaminda_00]

It will make things more balanced and fair. See bull and barn gate comment.

It probably would be more balanced and fair in some ways. But the nature of any contract system or salary cap, it will always disadvanatge one side or another.

With regard to bull and barn comment, most salary cap systems are actually started after the one side signs a lot of Internationals or fringe international players. Most are implemented after that situation happens, so the situation doesn't get worse. IRL clubs not going bankrupt plays a major part in contract systems as well.

Most contract system basically designed force stronger clubs to lose some players, to even out the standard of the league. This hasn't really happen apart from CW Black losing Thompson a couple seasons back. But even then he just went to another strong club and helped then win a FC title.

But as Smith said earlier this isn't RL and guys just rather play with their mates. It not as your going to get paid more to move to another team. Any system that forces players out of a club has some issue. Be it that players gets forced out of Red, Black or Blue.

 

[roseboy64]

Would be happy to sign one that's less than five years. Five is an awful long time - maybe three?

CW Green offer NG Scott a 3 year contract.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

CW Green offer NG Scott a 3 year contract.

Accepted.

 

[new_age_ar]

Sometimes I do wonder what is the point of this contract system based on a salary cap. When in reality the salary cap means next to nothing and does nothing to even out the standard of league. This is not having a go at Black, as I have no real problem with them keeping all their top players. One of things that I like about the league is playing against their all star side and occasionally beating them. The main reason why I would never join Black. Basically like playing a Test side at domestic level.

But even with a team like CW Blue. If I stayed they would have had no real problems fitting me under the salary cap. Even though I would have been the sixth contracted player. Even if Collins got a contract, which IMO he should have. With the current salary cap they probably would have fit us all in.

There is a major issue with a salary that is designed to allow clubs to fit in only four contracted players, when up to seven contracted players can fit in with no real problems.

Seemingly though that what majority of players want. Allow all the sides to keep all their players, regardless of any in balance in the league. If that is case then what is the point of having a salary cap based contract system. Just have a basic contract system that limits the number of player movements. Either have a cap that actually means something or don't bother.

Also why if any club going to complain about player rating it should be Green. What is the deal with Rob Malone Jnr rating of A? Yeah he played pretty much every match, but so did his older version and was only given a rating of B.

 

[ash chaulk]

Think i deserve an A+ rating tbh

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

In the last 3 seasons with Black he's played 10 FC games of a possible (I think) 52. How can that be legit? Surely he should be downgraded to a B or even a C. Borcich is a C and has had similar gametime in his non-chosen form.

There is no way that Stedman will be downgraded to a C. At best he will be downgraded to a B. The list is posted up nice and early for such appeals to be made though. The CWBCC will review any such appeal, but please state explicitly which contract ratings you wish to be reviewed.

Btw, I'm back from my mini-vacation and I'm intent on responding to every relevant post in this thread tonight. Go me.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

One thing I'll agree on. We should have either longer central contracts or a rule where a player on central contract can only be signed to a team short-term. Having this change every season is no doubt frustrating as all hell.

I think we need to work out a system whereby the CWBCC can assist teams that have central contracts given to players already signed for a club. Something to assist such clubs financially, to some extent. We should work on this.

EDIT: As suggested here, I see:

This is true. And I'm willing to consider a system where central contracts are only counted on the central contract status of players when the contract was signed. Don't take that as official yet, just throwing out an idea.