tooextracool
International Coach
Not to mention what has Anderson done to deserve a permanent place in the ODI side?
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**Official** New Zealand in England
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pasag
RTDAS
England have been holding their own since the World Cup in ODIs, tbh. When I saw the side put out for the CB series a year and a half ago I thought it was one of the worst ODI sides, on paper, I'd ever seen. They won that, and have been doing really well since the World Cup, setback in NZ aside. Not a pretty side but they do seem to be getting the results and shouldn't be underestimated as an easy beat.
tooextracool
International Coach
I am not sure I like the idea of changing keepers AGAIN. England have been constantly juggling keepers for the last year and a half now and its impossible at this point for anyone to get settled into the side. I thought mustard was just starting to get into the groove and provided some fresh impetus at the start of the order before he got dropped and replaced by Ambrose. Ambrose seems to have a decent List A record, so lets just hope that they stick it out with him for a little bit.
tooextracool
International Coach
Cant really say that Flynn has a technique that will prove successful at the test match level tbh. More likely to succeed in ODIs IMO.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I have a very bad feeling about how this ODI series could turn out. It just seems to me that the team has been so demoralised ever since the end of the 2nd test, that they just don't have much fight left in them, especially now that one of our few strong performers in that series is out injured. I'd like to be proved wrong but I predict that we'll have at least a 3-1 reversal of the result in New Zealand.
Here's something for you then, I still think Greg Hay will be shown to be a flat track bully when he gets his promotion. SoThough actualy, it is surprising that Bahnz and I have been agreeing lately, not something I ever though would happen.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I propose that Vikram Solanki's wicket keeping is of a similar standard to Prior and that he is a much more accomplished one day opening batsman.
Now I'm not suggesting that Solanki be given the gloves for England in ODIs, but it makes as much sense as giving them back to Prior right now..
Flem274*
123/5
WRONG!!!I have a very bad feeling about how this ODI series could turn out. It just seems to me that the team has been so demoralised ever since the end of the 2nd test, that they just don't have much fight left in them, especially now that one of our few strong performers in that series is out injured. I'd like to be proved wrong but I predict that we'll have at least a 3-1 reversal of the result in New Zealand.
Here's something for you then, I still think Greg Hay will be shown to be a flat track bully when he gets his promotion. So
He's going to be shown up as too reliant on backward of square and a player who struggles to hit it off the wicket block.
Good player in the making though, just give him time. Just because his home ground in Napier that doesn't make him a flat track bully. You're still ignoring his two 90's in dificult conditions.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Not ignoring them, but the conditions they were made in were more sporting than difficult (scores of 330 and 270 in the respective first innings, and about 200/5 each in the second). But yes I'm sure we'll get an opportunity to see him soon enough anyway.WRONG!!!
He's going to be shown up as too reliant on backward of square and a player who struggles to hit it off the wicket block.
Good player in the making though, just give him time. Just because his home ground in Napier that doesn't make him a flat track bully. You're still ignoring his two 90's in dificult conditions.
Flem274*
123/5
I hope we don't see him for a wee while yet tbh. We don't need yet another young, inexperienced player with good potential catapulted into our shaky line up. Get NZ A into a powerful, winning unit and Hay and his fellow NZ A players would get alot more benefits from that.
Hay is far from the complete batsman, I know that. He has alot of potential however, especially as during his time he has batted positions 1-5 with success (not sure on the opening record though, in List A I'm sure he opened once or twice and made a couple of scores). I think he should have a bit of learning time, not go straight from point A to point C.
Shaggy Alfresco
State Captain
S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
my assessment of our emerging players:
Flynn: solid technique but will take time to develope
Taylor: awesome talent, hopefully mainstay for next decade
How: has fixed technique and is looking as solid as ever
Marshall: go away!
Hay: good signs but not ready yet
Ryder: is ready for a go if he can sort out his issues
I fear for the confidence of these blokes when they get wholloped by Australia, but I dont think we are looking all that bad.
Flynn: solid technique but will take time to develope
Taylor: awesome talent, hopefully mainstay for next decade
How: has fixed technique and is looking as solid as ever
Marshall: go away!
Hay: good signs but not ready yet
Ryder: is ready for a go if he can sort out his issues
I fear for the confidence of these blokes when they get wholloped by Australia, but I dont think we are looking all that bad.
KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
Optimists live longer.
KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
NZ will still go on to win the series. My bet is by 3-2 considering we will probably be playing Marshall over Fulton and Hopkins over Oram. Ofcourse, the last one is because of injury, and even though it puts off the balance in the NZ side, it doesn't do as much damage as including Marshall in the eleven.Optimists live longer.
Despite all the praise heaped on the England side, they are still pretty dire at 50-over cricket and rely too much on Pietersen and to a lesser extent Collingwood.
I find it hilarious how Nasser Hussein thinks that NZ is a side that relies on individual performances, saying we rely too much on McCullum, considering it is well known that we are a talentless team which rely on working as a unit.
Well, that's what Nasser normally says in his usual scathing appraisal of the NZ team, and he will probably start saying it again as soon as NZ winning again.NZ to win the series, despite having a handi-capped side, you heard it here first.
James
Cricket Web Owner
Tend to think people are getting carried away with England's performance personally.
They've beaten what is quite possibly the weakest New Zealand team in the past 30 years. We're going through a major re-building phase and it is obviously going to take time to work our way out of it. The one positive though is that we obviously have a lot of young talent that we can build upon, but we're expecting a bit much of the team to beat England in England.
They've beaten what is quite possibly the weakest New Zealand team in the past 30 years. We're going through a major re-building phase and it is obviously going to take time to work our way out of it. The one positive though is that we obviously have a lot of young talent that we can build upon, but we're expecting a bit much of the team to beat England in England.