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[Majin]

I think it's got a bit to do with his character as well. I know some people were turned off by it but I loved his rapper gimmick. It was a perfect arrogant heel thing, and he got over big time with it. It got to the stage where he was like the Rock, a heel but the crowd were so into what he was saying you could tell they were dying to love him. Then he turned face and it was all good for a while, he still did his funny raps and just turned up the comedy, but then yeah, they started booking him as Mr. Invincible John Cena and his gimmick became generic All American Babyface "i love this business i'm here to fight I won't back down yawn zzzzzzzzzzz" and the crowds started to fart on him. And the fact that the WWE constantly ignore this and continue to push him as a face, which pisses off most of us, just makes it worse.

 

[Barney Rubble]

I think it's got a bit to do with his character as well. I know some people were turned off by it but I loved his rapper gimmick. It was a perfect arrogant heel thing, and he got over big time with it. It got to the stage where he was like the Rock, a heel but the crowd were so into what he was saying you could tell they were dying to love him. Then he turned face and it was all good for a while, he still did his funny raps and just turned up the comedy, but then yeah, they started booking him as Mr. Invincible John Cena and his gimmick became generic All American Babyface "i love this business i'm here to fight I won't back down yawn zzzzzzzzzzz" and the crowds started to fart on him. And the fact that the WWE constantly ignore this and continue to push him as a face, which pisses off most of us, just makes it worse.

Yeah, I liked old-school heel Cena as well. I think you might have hit the nail on the head when it comes to his gimmick becoming more generic, but whatever the reason, I think it was surprising that crowds turned on him as quickly as they did.

 

[Barney Rubble]

also noted that rey mysterio got booed at the rumble, no idea what that was about, unless for once the crowd wasnt full up with marks, mind you even if the crowd wasnt filled with marks its odd to see/hear rey getting booed.

After watching the Rumble I can definitely see what you mean, huge amount of Edgeheads in MSG it would appear. Pleasing to see as he's one of my favourite guys.

 

[Majin]

Apparently we're going to see TWO Elmination chamber matches at NWO now, because Teddy Long said there's going to be one for the Smackdown #1 contendership as well. Not sure what I think about this, Elimination chamber is great and all but oversaturation much? Plus the SD! people in it suck compared to RAW!. Finlay, MVP are both awesome but blatantly just there to make up numbers, Khali and Big Daddy V need nothing more said about them, which basically leaves us with Undertaker and Batista, which basically leaves us with a repeat of the last two years. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ffs.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Apparently we're going to see TWO Elmination chamber matches at NWO now, because Teddy Long said there's going to be one for the Smackdown #1 contendership as well. Not sure what I think about this, Elimination chamber is great and all but oversaturation much? Plus the SD! people in it suck compared to RAW!. Finlay, MVP are both awesome but blatantly just there to make up numbers, Khali and Big Daddy V need nothing more said about them, which basically leaves us with Undertaker and Batista, which basically leaves us with a repeat of the last two years. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ffs.

Haha, you're lucky I already accidentally read that spoiler earlier, or else that'd have spoiled it for me.

The Raw one will doubtless be better, but it'll be kinda cool to see two Chambers on one PPV, plus two title matches.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Just found out that the Raw rating on Monday night after Cena's return at the Rumble jumped from a 3.5 to a 3.9, which is a huge improvement. If you're looking for the reason why we get Cena shoved down our throats week on week, look no further.

 

[sledger]

Apparently we're going to see TWO Elmination chamber matches at NWO now, because Teddy Long said there's going to be one for the Smackdown #1 contendership as well. Not sure what I think about this, Elimination chamber is great and all but oversaturation much? Plus the SD! people in it suck compared to RAW!. Finlay, MVP are both awesome but blatantly just there to make up numbers, Khali and Big Daddy V need nothing more said about them, which basically leaves us with Undertaker and Batista, which basically leaves us with a repeat of the last two years. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ffs.

Agreed, total overkill for me, cannot remember a single occasion in history when we have had two of the same type of match on one PPV card, not only does it detract from the fact that it is a rare enough match anyway, but with 6 guys from either brand used up in these matches that leaves the rest of the PPV card pretty weak I imagine, probs see a Jamie Noble vs Palumbo match and an end to a few mini feuds I guess....hmmm

 

[Barney Rubble]

Agreed, total overkill for me, cannot remember a single occasion in history when we have had two of the same type of match on one PPV card, not only does it detract from the fact that it is a rare enough match anyway, but with 6 guys from either brand used up in these matches that leaves the rest of the PPV card pretty weak I imagine, probs see a Jamie Noble vs Palumbo match and an end to a few mini feuds I guess....hmmm

That's actually a good point about 12 guys being used up by the two Chambers. Although the Chamber itself usually takes about half an hour, so I reckon we'll only get about four or five other matches, and we've already got three of them.

RAW Elimination Chamber:
Triple H vs Shawn Michaels vs Umaga vs Jeff Hardy vs Chris Jericho vs JBL

SmackDown! Elimination Chamber:
Undertaker vs Batista vs Finlay vs MVP vs Big Daddy V vs The Great Khali

WWE Championship:
Randy Orton (C) vs John Cena

World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (C) vs Rey Mysterio (would like to see this be a gimmick match like a Ladder Match, but they probably don't want to risk Edge's health so close to 'Mania)

ECW Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (C) vs CM Punk

Career Threatening Match:
Ric Flair vs Mr. Kennedy

World Tag Team Championship:
Cody Rhodes & Hardcore Holly (C) vs Carlito and Santino Marella

 

[GotSpin]

Just found out that the Raw rating on Monday night after Cena's return at the Rumble jumped from a 3.5 to a 3.9, which is a huge improvement. If you're looking for the reason why we get Cena shoved down our throats week on week, look no further.

I can't stand watching WWE. Is anything actually worth watching [Serious question]

 

[Barney Rubble]

I can't stand watching WWE. Is anything actually worth watching [Serious question]

Yeah, there's a lot worth watching, it's just not happening in the main event scene right now the majority of the time. Jeff Hardy's ascension to main event status has entertained the hell out of me, Mr. Kennedy is getting better in the ring all the time and they're FINALLY starting to give him more mic time on Raw, CM Punk and MVP are both awesome, Edge is the biggest heel in the company these days and is finally getting to lead his own faction, Y2J's back, Carlito didn't resign, Santino Marella is the best comic heel in a long, long time (the guy's mic work is just sheer gold...although if the Commission for Racial Equality ever get ahold of WWE then his entire gimmick is ****ed)...there's a lot worth watching.

It's just a pain in the arse that 3/4s of the main eventers on show these days (Cena, HHH, Batista, and Orton mainly) are booked so badly. Cena gets booked like Superman, HHH gets booked however he wants, Batista probably still thinks the World Heavyweight Championship is "his", despite losing something like 8 title matches in the last year, and Orton is the champ but keeps getting his arse handed to him on global TV before somehow winning at the PPV. Faces are supposed to do that, not heels.

 

[sledger]

interesting to see the confrontation between cena and orton last night, thought cena got a pretty bad reception from the crowd (although he seemed to win them over a fair amount by the end of the show), but then orton came out and seemed to get major heat as well, couldnt understand that at all....usually whoever faces cena gets a pop, but he got a more heat than he usually does....

otherwise quite enjoyed RAW this week, and enjoying WWE in general at the moment tbh, if they can keep it up the way they are going at the moment they should be able to get back to the level the company was at about 3-4 years ago, which will be good, if they can sustain it. Just need to change the booking slightly as you say rubble, the fact that Orton gets pwned every single week on RAW by all his challengers is just stupid, I hadnt really thought about it before but thinking about it I can remember HBK kicking orton in the head about 5 times, Jeff taking him out several times, same can be said of Y2J....that either needs to change or he needs to drop the title....

as for the elimination chamber...looks good from a RAW pov, fairly clear that HBK wont win as he was in the mainevent last year, Umaga would never be put in the mainevent....JBL I would have say would be unlikely....Jericho also unlikely, but perhaps more likely than JBL......of course its most likely to be HHH, but not a given, although i can already see in my mind the end of WM24 with JR saying "oh mah gawd the game has overcome so many adversities to get to this point, and now he is back on top of the mountain" etc....

here's hoping that hardy or Jericho win it, as although its unlikely its not impossible...

on Subject of Y2J, funny how it really does seem the codebreaker has been scrapped somewhat, noticed how he used it on Orton about 5 minutes into the match on raw the other day....

 

[sledger]

watched TNA impact the other night, generall good, however once again it was made much the poorer by these stupid skits by sharkboy, all this "sharkboys gonna open a can of whup ass on ya!" and handing out stunners to anyone who comes near just gets on my nerves rather than make me laugh, it seems Jeff Jarret is determinied to try and take the piss out of stone cold as much as possible, stupidly enough the people in the crowd seemed more confused and subdued by all this, rather than cheering them just seemed to be ignoring what was happening in the ring. Stupid that TNA strives to be so different to the WWE but yet runs these stupid slander promos, which just draws a direct comparison between the two compaines, and probably gets them to watch wwe more often, lame.

 

[shortpitched713]

Anyways, know I'm late on this but Triple H and John Cena at the main event at Wrestlemania. Wow, I'm just quavering with excitement just thinking about it.

 

[33/3from3.3]

I think the Triple Threat match could be good. As long as Orton can get the good work he's produced from Cena previously.

I expect HHH to win it, but I'll be (Uhhhhh) supporting Cena.

Meanwhile, Edge v Undertaker looks like it could be an awesome match, can't wait to see that.

Jeff Hardy should win MITB and all will be well.

Who will retire Ric Flair? Well i personally think he should win at Wrestlemania, and then choose to retire himself.

 

[sledger]

Wrestlemania this year is looking pretty predictable,

HHH is almost certain to walk out the WWE champ,

Jeff Hardy will almost definitely win MITB as hes been on the end of a massive push for months.

Undertaker will presumably beat edge.

and Ric Flair will lose to whoever he faces.


at the moment there is no real interest in wrestlemania for me, as the feuds are built to quickly, seeing as there are only 4 of each show between PPVs feuds are rushed and have no real meaning, which is rubbish, esspecially seeing as half the wrestlemania card isnt filled...

 

[Barney Rubble]

Wrestlemania this year is looking pretty predictable,

HHH is almost certain to walk out the WWE champ,

Jeff Hardy will almost definitely win MITB as hes been on the end of a massive push for months.

Undertaker will presumably beat edge.

and Ric Flair will lose to whoever he faces.


at the moment there is no real interest in wrestlemania for me, as the feuds are built to quickly, seeing as there are only 4 of each show between PPVs feuds are rushed and have no real meaning, which is rubbish, esspecially seeing as half the wrestlemania card isnt filled...

Yeah, WWE.com have even got almost the entire WM card up already. Goes like this:

Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship
Randy Orton (C) vs John Cena vs Triple H

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Edge (C) vs The Undertaker

Floyd "Money" Mayweather vs Big Show

Career Threatening Match:
Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels

Money In The Bank Ladder Match:
Jeff Hardy vs Chris Jericho vs Mr. Kennedy vs Shelton Benjamin vs 2-4 others

Raw vs SmackDown! Match:
Umaga vs a SmackDown! competitor

BunnyMania:
Beth Phoenix & Melina vs Candice Michelle & Maria


Hmmm. A mixture of really good and outright shocking. The Mayweather/Big Show match looks like it's a wrestling match, which is no doubt gonna turn out terribly. The Divas match is a desperate attempt to get Maria on the WM card to promote her Playboy appearance, but also to hide her lack of wrestling ability. Which is a real shame, 'cause I was looking forward to a really top-notch Mickie James vs Beth Phoenix match for the title.

Now onto the good. It looks like we're gonna get Umaga vs Batista, which I actually think could be very good. There's still a resolution to come on both the CM Punk/Chavo Guerrero feuds and the Vince/JBL/Hornswoggle/Finlay feud, so I think we'll also get Punk vs Chavo under Extreme Rules and Finlay vs JBL. Both of which should be top notch, Finlay could drag anyone to a good match.

Money In The Bank is shaping up to be an absolute epic, even if the winner is a foregone conclusion. Shelton and Jericho being in there means you've got two more guys with ladder match experience, as opposed to Orton and Booker being in there last year. Flair vs Michaels will obviously be brilliant, even if the winner is again a foregone conclusion. The prospect of two of the greatest, perhaps the two greatest of all time meeting in a
face vs face match at WrestleMania is just so huge.

The WWE title match will be good, and I expect it to lead to a pretty decent Cena vs Triple H feud, whoever wins at WM. Probably Triple H. The World Heavyweight title match also interests me, as it would seem a foregone conclusion at first, but when you consider that for a long time last year they were going to have Batista end the Streak, I think that Edge has a decent shot. It would be a massive, massive event if he did win, and it goes without saying that given the quality of the two guys involved and how over they both are, the match will be outstanding.

Whatever happens, I'm definitely looking forward to WrestleMania, but one thing that kills me is that there's no way I'll be able to watch it live, and I'll probably know the results before I get the chance to watch it online. Don't be surprised if I steer clear of wrestling threads for a while afterwards.

 

[duffer]

I used to love watching wrestling. Had great fun watching WWF and WCW every week with my brother and used to be interested in the politicking that happened backstage, but ever since the Eddie and Benoit sagas and the exploitation of Vicki Guerrero I find the whole wrestling scene to be quite repulsive.

How do you guys still take this industry seriously? Every time I flick over and see Vince I want to punch him in the face and it isn't heel heat or anything like that it's a whole new level of anger.

 

[sledger]

haha fair enough, I imagine pretty much most of what you said is right, what I wondered about happening...was if whoever won the money in the bank cashed it in later in the night.....could happen methinks...

Agree about the big show mayweather angle, waste of time, laughed at mayweather nearly botching his lines whilst trying to cut a promo on RAW last week, though the punches he gave big show looked pretty real when you saw them in slow motion. But to use show up in a match like this is a waste of time and an abvious attempt to just drag as many people in to watch the event as possible. It seems big show often gets lumbered with stuff like this, remember the sumo match at WM21 anybody?

what seems to have dissapeared is the Santino Marrella and Carlito challenge for the tag titles....I remember a few RAWs ago they came out and said they would face Rhodes and Holly at NWO, but that just didnt happen....

 

[sledger]

How do you guys still take this industry seriously? Every time I flick over and see Vince I want to punch him in the face and it isn't heel heat or anything like that it's a whole new level of anger.

tbh I only take it as seriously as I would take a film or a TV show seriously, it obviously isnt a real sport, but the athletes and performers involved can still be world class, takes a hell of a performer to genuinely reach the top.

As for Vince McMahon he undoubtedly is an absolute ****, but the fact that I dislike him in real life doesnt really bother me in terms of the actually wrestling side of things.

 

[Barney Rubble]

tbh I only take it as seriously as I would take a film or a TV show seriously, it obviously isnt a real sport, but the athletes and performers involved can still be world class, takes a hell of a performer to genuinely reach the top.

As for Vince McMahon he undoubtedly is an absolute ****, but the fact that I dislike him in real life doesnt really bother me in terms of the actually wrestling side of things.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. What allows me to take the business seriously despite the ridiculous lengths that Creative are willing to go to to get people interested is that if the performers themselves weren't okay with it, they wouldn't do it. The entire Guerrero family okayed the Eddie's death angle, and every angle is run by the guys involved before they get thrown into it.