Yeah like the B sample was going to come back negative. He knew that he was caught and ACB was going to find it anyway, so he ran and told them before the B sample results came out. This was the only way he could save his face and escape harsher punishment. And he actually did escape a 2 year ban which would have ended his career.
But they weren't the same; Warne's was a mechanical muscle/ligament injury, Murali's was to remove a cyst, surgery with a far longer recovery time. Yes Murali had torn ligaments in his previously but that injury itself certainly didn't take him 10 months to recover from in terms of playing again as he only missed part of a series. Sure Murali wasn't bowling at his best for some time but we'll never know whether it was the same with Warne because he didn't play after testing positive, of course. The ligament damage would have been healed after his year-long ban and time he spent back in the side bowling below his best was spent on the sidelines with the occasional net session.
Are you arguing that Warne only took steroids to recover from injury (possible) or are you also arguing that he took it for a much longer period of time to increase his on-field endurance? It's seriously hard to pick where you're coming from on this one. In addition, that only glucocorticoids and not anabolic streroids cause withdrawls is hardly set in stone as there's plenty of evidence in the literature to suggest otherwise. Definitely not as clear-cut as you make it seem. Anabolic steroids are always tapered-off if the doctor prescribing them has any sense of safety for his patient.
) so I reckon I'm in a decent position to comment. I've seen guys do 'roids for long periods and it's more than just indurance which increases. I can believe it a possibility that Warne used 'roids to enhance his recovery from his shoulder injury (although he would only just be on the park and just getting through his overs rather than actually bowling well because it builds muscle mass and I'd imagine wouldn't do much to ligament damage. His shoulder wouldn't be very stable) but long-term use? Mate, all the blokes I've been around on juice don't stay the same size, even with minimal or even toning weights work. They lose fat and gain muscular bulk. Warnie, even at his fittest, was too puffy in the face (without associated redness and acne) and shoulders too rounded (rather than chiselled) for me to assume he was juiced.That's the part that irks me as well, it's such a blatant example of the board covering Warne's backside once again. Why not give the 2 year ban? They mentioned no specific circumstances that would cause the ban to be reduced. Just like the bookie scandal, the whole affair is hushed up and he ends up with no ban and only an $8000 fine, ridiculous.
No I dont make up stuff. Here is what Tim De Lisle(Former editor of Wisden) wrote about Shane Warne in the Independent :-
Anyone who suppressed this isn't trustworthy, I dont care who it is.
If you are taking money from bookmakers and passing them information about team strategy and other stuff, then it is match fixing.
I believe he was replying to a comment that steroids arent something you can take once without gaining a dependence on them.Are you arguing that Warne only took steroids to recover from injury (possible) or are you also arguing that he took it for a much longer period of time to increase his on-field endurance? It's seriously hard to pick where you're coming from on this one.
I hate to pull the qual card but I do have a science degree with organic and P&I chem majors + I do weight training (without 'roids, thanks
While I find it deplorable, I'm not sure its match-fixing, as it doesnt deliberately alter the result of the match. I do agree with you that there is much more to the story than what the ACB coughed out.
Well in that case, Azhar, Cronje etc weren't match fixers either.
Which is fairly strongly debateable and certainly not as clear-cut as 'steroid type A needs tapering but B doesn't'. There's plenty of evidence for anabolic steroid withdrawals. A quick journal search shows that at the very least it's unclear whether anabolic androgenic steroids result in withdrawls.
Who knows what Info warne was selling. If he was selling team strategies(which I have no doubt he was) to the bookies (who would eventually pass it on to opposing captains) then it is fixing games.
And if you are really doubting who am I, I am a post-graduate trainee of Clinical Medcine, graduated from Faculty Medical Sciences, University of Colombo.
I'm not sure anyone knows the exact answer to that question, but he accepted money for himself to ensure that a Test Match wasn't drawn which puts him waaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of people who gave team, weather or pitch information.
I am into training myself (though dont know much about roids). Is this strictly right? Surely hypertrophy of some substantial kind needs to occur in order to lead to gains in muscle?I hate to pull the qual card (and you sound like you'll have similar) but I do have a science degree with organic and P&I chem majors + I do weight training (without 'roids, thanks
I am into training myself (though dont know much about roids). Is this strictly right? Surely hypertrophy of some substantial kind needs to occur in order to lead to gains in muscle?I hate to pull the qual card (and you sound like you'll have similar) but I do have a science degree with organic and P&I chem majors + I do weight training (without 'roids, thanks
No one has said it helped him lose weight. It would help him to appear thin.
Ah, that's assuming he was using it for cheating and not for the fluid loss. For which 2 tablets would suffice.Two tablets means 50mg. It will let loose about 2 liters of fluid. 2kg out of a 70+ kg man. Looking thinner? What a comical weight reduction!
Erm, yeah, I think these were answered by Top Cat well.
So taking 2 pills on the verge of a match can be detected? If so, good. Makes it actually plausible as a last 'minute' beautification.
Even a novice on the subject like me knows that you can gain dependence and tolerance on anabolic steroids.
If it was or wasn't we won't know. The fact that he did do that extricates him from the kind of villainy you suggest.
I can't locate that article, nor can I locate another bookie that he was supposed to have given info to.
No one's playing that game. You seem to be making things up as you go. I was just interested where this other bookie was supposed to be from.
So, ICC, ACB and the players aren't trustworthy. Alright, what does this have to do with match-fixing?
Uh, no, you're not. Because it has 0 effect on the outcome of the game.
Um, huge difference. I can't believe you even made a connection.
As I thought, making things up as you go. No doubt he was selling the team's strategies? You're ridiculous. This is what I have a problem with: bull****.
The problem is with your Internet surfing skills, if you cant locate those articles. The way you have been defending Warne, I dont think it would make any difference to your opinion even If I provided you those links.
Ofcourse and that's why I said that Warne doesn't belong in the category of Azhar, Cronze, Malik etc.
