Best bowler of 1990s

[Richard]

A sport by definition is a game.

Two different games cannot be the same sport. Derived from the same idea and having some things in common, yes. The same - no.

 

[Smudge]

A sport by definition is a game.

Bollocks. Here's just one example.

Pocket Billiards is a sport, and you can play different games [rule
sets] within the sport: 8-ball, 9-ball, etc.. [for those that
disagree, Pocket Billiards has been declared a Sport by the **Olympic
Committee --see below]

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=452797

Here are the defintions.

sport (spôrt, spōrt) Pronunciation Key
n.

Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
A particular form of this activity.
Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.
One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
Informal One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
Informal A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
A gambler at sporting events.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
An active pastime; recreation.

Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.
One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
Informal One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
Informal A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
A gambler at sporting events.

One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
Informal One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
Informal A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
A gambler at sporting events.
Informal
A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
A gambler at sporting events.
Biology An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.
Maine See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.
Obsolete Amorous dalliance; lovemaking.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sport

game1 /geɪm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[geym] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, adjective, gam·er, gam·est, verb, gamed, gam·ing.
–noun 1. an amusement or pastime: children's games.
2. the material or equipment used in playing certain games: a store selling toys and games.
3. a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.
4. a single occasion of such an activity, or a definite portion of one: the final game of the season; a rubber of three games at bridge.
5. the number of points required to win a game.
6. the score at a particular stage in a game: With five minutes to play, the game was 7 to 0.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game

 

[Tom Halsey]

They are governed by two completely separate bodies, because they're two different sports. There are clear rule differences, relating to the breakdown (ruck/play-the-ball), restarting play, style of tackling allowed and penalty offences, which change the whole complexion of the two games. As Fiery said, the basic mechanics of cricket stay the same, whereas rugby league requires a competely different kind of player to rugby union. Look at someone like Matt Dunning, for example - he would never make it as a league player.

But the key point is they are two separate sports and have been since the early 1900s - which is why they have two completely separate ruling bodies. Test and ODI cricket are governed by the ICC as we all know, and how many ruling bodies is that? One.

Being governed by seperate bodies would technically make them different sports, but it's not important when comparing likeness.

There are clear rule differences between Tests and ODIs, most obviously the time the game takes to complete which completely changes strategy and suchlike.

There have been cases of players switching code successfully - though I don't know how common it is. Conversely, there have been cases where a player is brilliant at one form of cricket and rubbish at the other.

 

[archie mac]

Just considered Real Cricket and chose Ambrose

 

[Smudge]

There have been cases of players switching code successfully - though I don't know how common it is. Conversely, there have been cases where a player is brilliant at one form of cricket and rubbish at the other.

Conversely, there have been many cases of players switching codes unsuccessfully (John Gallagher, John Kirwan, Brett Papworth to name a few) whereas most international cricket test and ODI squads are made up of largely (but not all of) the same players.

 

[Goughy]

CBF to read the whole thread.

However a few points. It is pointless to combine ODI and Test stats. Sure they will give you a number but what does that say? prove? represent? Impossible to draw a conclusion from meaningless stats as they are unrelated. Its like adding 5 apples to 6 kettles to find out how many car seats you have.

On the flip side, comparing ODI and Tests to Union and League is off the charts wrong. Just because they both have rugby in the title doesnt mean they are the same sport. Just as American Football, Gaelic (sp?) Football, Assoc Football, Rugby Football etc are not the same sports.

Union and League have different rules, different ruling bodies, different players, different history etc. In fact everying that there is possible to be a different and seperate sport.

 

[Top_Cat]

On the flip side, comparing ODI and Tests to Union and League is off the charts wrong. Just because they both have rugby in the title doesnt mean they are the same sport. Just as American Football, Gaelic (sp?) Football, Assoc Football, Rugby Football etc are not the same sports.

Union and League have different rules, different ruling bodies, different players, different history etc. In fact everying that there is possible to be a different and seperate sport.

Yes but there's one thing they most certainly do have in common; 30 players either on the park or the bench in any given game and not a single neck amongst them. It's why Rugby/League winners mostly get trophies and not medals when they win......

 

[funnygirl]

The Sean's easy four step guide to more satisfying bowler assessment.

1. Take a nice, long, slow, deep breath. And relax.

2. Drop the statsguru page and back away slowly. Be sure not to make any sudden movements.

3. Grab a DVD or as much footage as you can of these magnificent bowlers and sit there and watch the wonderful things each and every one of them was capable of doing with a cricket ball in their hands.

4. Even better, if you are old enough to have seen them in action first hand then cast your mind back and remember how great they were and what it was like to actually watch them play cricket.

There, don't you feel happier now?

Yeah thats it . I am lucky enough to watch all those players since 1980 .And i feel pity for these ''statsguru people ''.They didn't know what they had missed .

 

[Richard]

However a few points. It is pointless to combine ODI and Test stats. Sure they will give you a number but what does that say? prove? represent? Impossible to draw a conclusion from meaningless stats as they are unrelated. Its like adding 5 apples to 6 kettles to find out how many car seats you have.

About the best description I've seen yet.

 

[Richard]

Bollocks. Here's just one example.

So because a sport can have different games, that means all sports are not a game...

 

[Tom Halsey]

whereas most international cricket test and ODI squads are made up of largely (but not all of) the same players.

Yes, but then that's because they're allowed to be. In Rugby, UIMM you cannot play both Union and League. I assume this is due to the different ruling bodies.

 

[Tom Halsey]

On the flip side, comparing ODI and Tests to Union and League is off the charts wrong. Just because they both have rugby in the title doesnt mean they are the same sport. Just as American Football, Gaelic (sp?) Football, Assoc Football, Rugby Football etc are not the same sports.

I'm not really comparing the two, but the conversation was sparked by Richard saying something along the lines of 'judging the best bowler over both Tests and ODIs is a bit like judging the best Rugby player over both Union and League' which by and large I agree with, because the two types of cricket are very different.

 

[Smudge]

Yes, but then that's because they're allowed to be. In Rugby, UIMM you cannot play both Union and League. I assume this is due to the different ruling bodies.

I'm struggling to see how this is relevant. I'm serious - I'm probably missing something though?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Anyway as enthralling as this discussion is, I would like to venture that the very late inclusion of Allan Donald might mean the poll is not accurate as some who voted elsewhere might have voted for Donald had he always been an option. I know there was always the A.N.Other option but some people might not have wanted to use that and just voted for their second choice instead. (I know it doesn't really matter, just a thought.)

 

[shortpitched713]

Anyway as enthralling as this discussion is, I would like to venture that the very late inclusion of Allan Donald might mean the poll is not accurate as some who voted elsewhere might have voted for Donald had he always been an option. I know there was always the A.N.Other option but some people might not have wanted to use that and just voted for their second choice instead. (I know it doesn't really matter, just a thought.)

Don't think Donald was likely to have gotten more than 3-4 votes in any case though, seeing how some other big names struggled.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I'm struggling to see how this is relevant. I'm serious - I'm probably missing something though?

You said that Test and ODI sides in cricket are mostly the same, but League and Union sides for respective countries are different, presumably as a way of showing that Tests and ODIs are more similar than League and Union. This is true, but it's largely, as far as I can tell, because one set of sports are governed by the same body and the other isn't.

 

[Fiery]

ffs, league players play league!!!! Rugby union players play rugby union!! It's a completely different game. Cricket is the same game whether it's ODI or tests. How hard is the concept to grasp?

Wake up Richard

 

[Smudge]

You said that Test and ODI sides in cricket are mostly the same, but League and Union sides for respective countries are different, presumably as a way of showing that Tests and ODIs are more similar than League and Union. This is true, but it's largely, as far as I can tell, because one set of sports are governed by the same body and the other isn't.

No. It's because the skillset required to play the games are remarkably different. You really think it would be possible for a player to switch back and forth between games at the highest level week after week?

ffs, league players play league!!!! Rugby union players play rugby union!! It's a completely different game. Cricket is the same game whether it's ODI or tests. How, hard is the concept to grab?
Wake up Richard and Tom Halsey

Very, apparently.

 

[Tom Halsey]

ffs, league players play league!!!! Rugby union players play rugby union!! It's a completely different game. Cricket is the same game whether it's ODI or tests. How, hard is the concept to grab?

Did you read my last post?

 

[Tom Halsey]

No. It's because the skillset required to play the games are remarkably different. You really think it would be possible for a player to switch back and forth between games at the highest level week after week?

Has it ever been tried?