archie mac
International Coach
It could be me, I would take Tiger over both of them any day of the week
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*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion
- Thread starter Mr Mxyzptlk
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SJS
Hall of Fame Member
I am a bigger Grimmett fan than Orielly's. I think I am influenced by Orielly not being an orthodox leg spinner who flighted the ball. The two of them were different from each other something like Kumble and warne are or Chandra and Gupte were.
My ultra conservative leanings make me lean towards Grimmett I suppose. Clearly they were both masters.
I also posess a book by Grimmett, an original edition, and am very impressed by the soundness of his simple approach to the technique of bowling in general and leg spin bowling in particular.
Maybe Bradman's shabby treatment of Grimmett also influences my feelings towards him.
There are always more reasons for one's preferences than one is willing to admit.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
The Tiger himself never forgave Bradman for dropping Grimmett before the 1936/37 series. Which is probably fair enough, given that Grimmet's previous 5 Tests had yielded 44 wickets, including 10 or more in each of his last 3!
And for all that, The Don was never shy in his praise for Grimmett, calling him the greatest slow leg break bowler he ever saw and choosing him in his all time XI ahead of Warne.
And for all that, The Don was never shy in his praise for Grimmett, calling him the greatest slow leg break bowler he ever saw and choosing him in his all time XI ahead of Warne.
Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
I'd vote for a permanent ban on the next person who resorts to a piece of personal abuse in a Murali-Warne argument!
Please guys, don't dire up a thread that could be interesting by not being able to converse in a mature way with each other. Its actually really annoying, and I doubt I'll be alone in considering reporting posts if it keeps up.
EDIT: Pleased to see you've called a truce a few posts up.
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Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
You're right Matt, I apologise again. I was just replying with the same tone that was being afforded to me - but that is childish too, so I accept my doing. But on that note, I am tired of having my integrity or my intelligence questioned when I have an opinion on something that some disagree with. And then when I go through great lengths to prove what I say is actually intelligible, I'm still called clueless.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Perhaps I am taking too much of a simplistic view here, but in my opinion, the advantages and disadvantages of being a lone ranger and a hunter in a pack are like finishing a big project on your own and in a team.
The thing is, a lone ranger can always get the credit he deserves because it is obvious that he is the only one doing it.... On the other hand, if a group of guys get together and finish a project, it means that somehow one may get more credit than one deserves and another may get less credit than what he actually deserves. On the other hand, while working in a team can make things quite a bit easier and also more fun, working alone is really damn difficult.....
The thing is, a lone ranger can always get the credit he deserves because it is obvious that he is the only one doing it.... On the other hand, if a group of guys get together and finish a project, it means that somehow one may get more credit than one deserves and another may get less credit than what he actually deserves. On the other hand, while working in a team can make things quite a bit easier and also more fun, working alone is really damn difficult.....
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
TBH, I think one could almost go so far as to say that's the purpose of this thread. Things can go around in circles as much as you want - I've no desire to read it doing so as I've stated many times that the two cannot be split IMO, so I can leave people who wish to do so to it and rest safe that it will not invade any other threads. And the odd few "stupid"s, "fool"s and "numpty"s, while regrettable, are pretty much inevitable.
We see the same with C_C and social in this thread's previous innings, although where the former was involved, such things were common and many posters had issues with him.
chris.hinton
International Captain
Warne vs Murali- the real winner
I have worked out who is the best bowler by doing some elimination i have discount Muralis and Warnes records against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.
Murail took 163 wickets against both minnows
Warne took just 17 against both minnows
This does change things and it proves once and for all Warne is simply the greatest Spin Bowler or indeed the greatest bowler of all time
States
Shane Warne
Overs 6644
Runs 17560
Wickets 691
Average 25.41
RPO 2.64
Muttiah Muralitharan
Overs 5631
Runs 13098
Wickets 550
Average 23.81
RPO 2.34
But this shows that Warne Could have played more against the weaker nations but Australia decided to play bigger teams year in year out, while Muttiah Muralitharan got cheap wickets.
Shane Warne is Number 1
I have worked out who is the best bowler by doing some elimination i have discount Muralis and Warnes records against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.
Murail took 163 wickets against both minnows
Warne took just 17 against both minnows
This does change things and it proves once and for all Warne is simply the greatest Spin Bowler or indeed the greatest bowler of all time
States
Shane Warne
Overs 6644
Runs 17560
Wickets 691
Average 25.41
RPO 2.64
Muttiah Muralitharan
Overs 5631
Runs 13098
Wickets 550
Average 23.81
RPO 2.34
But this shows that Warne Could have played more against the weaker nations but Australia decided to play bigger teams year in year out, while Muttiah Muralitharan got cheap wickets.
Shane Warne is Number 1
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
so 2005 Rich.
Otherwise, I'd point out that Murali still has a better average, RPO, and I'm pretty certain wickets per match, so unfortunately this is not game-set-match...
Lostman
State Captain
Since when did English wickets count as real wickets?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
The winner will be whoever stays out this debate.
shortpitched713
International Captain
I have to diagree, I think Shane Warne is really e
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Well done for restarting a debate on which everything that could possibly be said has already been said, and one which will no doubt prompt AMZ to post his 16 points again.
My opinions are probably well known on the forum.
My opinions are probably well known on the forum.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Shane Warne is a drug cheat.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Thread closed.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I disagree, I think you may have mixed-up 06 with the month of May, the real year that which chris.hinton did make hay and by h did we on CW pay.
Either way, it was 27-05-2006. And
But once again, I disagree. In fact, Mr shortpitched713 gets my goat.