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Your top ten TEST bowlers of ALL-TIME
- Thread starter Days of Grace
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JBH001
International Regular
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unfiltered 86 21918 9611 431 9/52 15/123 22.29 2.63 50.8 36 9
filtered 22 5808 2261 173 9/52 15/123 13.06 2.33 33.5 17 8
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43 10663 4615 201 7/23 11/58 22.96 2.59 53.0 15 3
15 3809 1521 109 7/23 11/58 13.95 2.39 34.9 9 3
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43 11255 4996 230 9/52 15/123 21.72 2.66 48.9 21 6
7 1999 740 64 9/52 15/123 11.56 2.22 31.2 8 5
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Days of Grace
International Captain
Darn, how many others bowlers actually improve on their away average vs. home average?
Not many, if any.
Not many, if any.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Australia's glorious line-up of 85/86 certainly helped him out with that stat.
But that's pretty special nonetheless, would be interested to see how many other bowlers with substantial careers were better away than at home.
Off the top of my head I reckon O'Reilly's performances in England and SA, plus his one-off Test in NZ, would get him over the line. Likewise Grimmett must be very close for his efforts in England and SA.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
At the top of my head: Warne and McGrath are quite better away from home.
Checking on the bowlers on that list - apart from Warne, McGrath and Hadlee - only Ambrose has a lower away average.
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BhupinderSingh
Banned
I agree about Lillee but Wasim Akram was a better bowler than Donald.
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The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Are Warne's away figures better? That surprises me - I knew he'd be close and his record in England, Pakistan and SA is superb, but I thought his numbers in India and WI would hurt him in that respect.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
It also shows Kumble in fourth place after Lillee. Dont know how many here agree with that.Excluding Hadlee and Murali, for their lone ranger efforts, Lillee stacks up very very well. Out of the list, he has great figures in wickets per match, 5wi/10wi per match as well.
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
The other way around for me. Lillee was unplayable sometimes.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
I think it has to do with how good India are at home and, especially, how good Kumble was at home. If most their wins were at home then it's understandable. It probably resembles something like Murali and Hadlee with not exactly a competitive bowling line-up which tends to inflate their stature.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Yep, they are. Both he and McGrath do even better if you regard the few neutral tests they had to play as "away from home".
If we consider purely away averages in wins: Lillee (19 to 15, amazingly), Marshall, Pollock and Walsh do better away too. Keith Miller does better away too but he's 37 wickets short
.Also, because we've made 150 the cut off, I decided to add Imran Khan:
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BhupinderSingh
Banned
Imran has actually better than that considering he played some of the tests as a specialist batsman.Yep, they are. Both he and McGrath do even better if you regard the few neutral tests they had to play as "away from home".
If we consider purely away averages in wins: Lillee (19 to 15, amazingly), Marshall, Pollock and Walsh do better away too. Keith Miller does better away too but he's 37 wickets short
Also, because we've made 150 the cut off, I decided to add Imran Khan:
BhupinderSingh
Banned
So was Wasim Akram.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
As was Akram. The problem is that there are so many 'complete fast bowlers' such as Marshall, Lillee, Akram, Imran and Donald, with everything in their armories and seemingly lacking nothing. If you use stats to separate them, Marshall comes out on top but after that ts hazy.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
VAIBHAV_e_2003
Cricket Spectator
Top Ten Bowler Of All Time Must Be>>>
Player Mat Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10
SK Warne (Aus) 145 40705 17995 708 8/71 12/128 25.41 2.65 57.4 37 10
A Kumble (India) 120 37425 16563 578 10/74 14/149 28.65 2.65 64.7 33 8
GD McGrath (Aus) 124 29248 12186 563 8/24 10/27 21.64 2.49 51.9 29 3
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 86 21918 9611 431 9/52 15/123 22.29 2.63 50.8 36 9
Imran Khan (Pak) 88 19458 8258 362 8/58 14/116 22.81 2.54 53.7 23 6
CEL Ambrose (WI) 98 22103 8501 405 8/45 11/84 20.99 2.30 54.5 22 3
Wasim Akram (Pak) 104 22627 9779 414 7/119 11/110 23.62 2.59 54.6 25 5
MD Marshall (WI) 81 17584 7876 376 7/22 11/89 20.94 2.68 46.7 22 4
AA Donald (SA) 72 15519 7344 330 8/71 12/139 22.25 2.83 47.0 20 3
FS Trueman (Eng) 67 15178 6625 307 8/31 12/119 21.57 2.61 49.4 17 3
NOW THIS LIST IS FAIR BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF WITH ALL STATASTICS,INSTEAD I KNW PEOPLES PROBLEM WHY MURLI IS NOT THERE???
BUT WE HAVE TO LIST 10 LEGAL TEST BOWLERS WHERE MURLI WAS GIVEN THROW BOWLER 2TIMES IN PAST AND MATTER OF FACT IS WITHOUT HIS UNUSUAL THROW ACTION HE IS A STREET BOWLER,IN COMPARE TO THE SHANE WARNE(WHO BOWL USING OPEN ACTION)MURLI STANDS NOWHERE.
NO-BALLED FOR THROWING:
Bowler
E Jones Aus v Eng Melbourne 1898
GAR Lock Eng v WI Kingston 1954
G Griffin RSA v Eng Lord's 1960
Haseeb Ahsan Pak v Ind Bombay 1960
I Meckiff Aus v RSA Brisbane 1963
Abid Ali Ind v NZ Christchurch 1968
SMH Kirmani Ind v WI Bridgetown 1983
DI Gower Eng v NZ Nottingham 1986
H Olonga Zim v Pak Harare 1995
M Muralitharan SL v Aus Melbourne 1995
GW Flower Zim v NZ Bulawayo 2000
The other points is to make that murli has taken 69%of his all wickets of bowler(after no.5),and also out of his 61 five wickets haul 49 times he done this in subcontinent(in asia).you can see his sucess just 2 weeks ago vs aus.
and anyway murli took lots of wicket after invention of DooSRA(wrong one) and i have video clip which shows that by legal action murli can't bowl DooSRA,because to bowl dusra he has to make angle more than 39 degree.so thats all from me.
Player Mat Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10
SK Warne (Aus) 145 40705 17995 708 8/71 12/128 25.41 2.65 57.4 37 10
A Kumble (India) 120 37425 16563 578 10/74 14/149 28.65 2.65 64.7 33 8
GD McGrath (Aus) 124 29248 12186 563 8/24 10/27 21.64 2.49 51.9 29 3
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 86 21918 9611 431 9/52 15/123 22.29 2.63 50.8 36 9
Imran Khan (Pak) 88 19458 8258 362 8/58 14/116 22.81 2.54 53.7 23 6
CEL Ambrose (WI) 98 22103 8501 405 8/45 11/84 20.99 2.30 54.5 22 3
Wasim Akram (Pak) 104 22627 9779 414 7/119 11/110 23.62 2.59 54.6 25 5
MD Marshall (WI) 81 17584 7876 376 7/22 11/89 20.94 2.68 46.7 22 4
AA Donald (SA) 72 15519 7344 330 8/71 12/139 22.25 2.83 47.0 20 3
FS Trueman (Eng) 67 15178 6625 307 8/31 12/119 21.57 2.61 49.4 17 3
NOW THIS LIST IS FAIR BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF WITH ALL STATASTICS,INSTEAD I KNW PEOPLES PROBLEM WHY MURLI IS NOT THERE???
BUT WE HAVE TO LIST 10 LEGAL TEST BOWLERS WHERE MURLI WAS GIVEN THROW BOWLER 2TIMES IN PAST AND MATTER OF FACT IS WITHOUT HIS UNUSUAL THROW ACTION HE IS A STREET BOWLER,IN COMPARE TO THE SHANE WARNE(WHO BOWL USING OPEN ACTION)MURLI STANDS NOWHERE.
NO-BALLED FOR THROWING:
Bowler
E Jones Aus v Eng Melbourne 1898
GAR Lock Eng v WI Kingston 1954
G Griffin RSA v Eng Lord's 1960
Haseeb Ahsan Pak v Ind Bombay 1960
I Meckiff Aus v RSA Brisbane 1963
Abid Ali Ind v NZ Christchurch 1968
SMH Kirmani Ind v WI Bridgetown 1983
DI Gower Eng v NZ Nottingham 1986
H Olonga Zim v Pak Harare 1995
M Muralitharan SL v Aus Melbourne 1995
GW Flower Zim v NZ Bulawayo 2000
The other points is to make that murli has taken 69%of his all wickets of bowler(after no.5),and also out of his 61 five wickets haul 49 times he done this in subcontinent(in asia).you can see his sucess just 2 weeks ago vs aus.
and anyway murli took lots of wicket after invention of DooSRA(wrong one) and i have video clip which shows that by legal action murli can't bowl DooSRA,because to bowl dusra he has to make angle more than 39 degree.so thats all from me.
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shortpitched713
International Captain
Frustrating how you underrate players who have a legend around them simply because well. . . they have a legend around them.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I like to think I don't, though - I like to think I look at the deeds and ignore the false parts of the legends.
I try very hard not to downplay people too much just because their legends outdo their actual deeds. Mostly, these actual deeds are still phenominal.
However, I cannot believe anyone can seriously talk down Donald because he did less than sensationally against Australia (and that's the only reason anyone ever comes-up with) while saying Lillee (whose lack of subcontinental provenness is documented ad nauseum) was so obviously better.
Because Donald was every bit the "complete seam-bowler" that Lillee was.
I try very hard not to downplay people too much just because their legends outdo their actual deeds. Mostly, these actual deeds are still phenominal.
However, I cannot believe anyone can seriously talk down Donald because he did less than sensationally against Australia (and that's the only reason anyone ever comes-up with) while saying Lillee (whose lack of subcontinental provenness is documented ad nauseum) was so obviously better.
Because Donald was every bit the "complete seam-bowler" that Lillee was.