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[NUFAN]

I was talking about preserving Lee and giving him a break for this series so obviously that means he won't play in any of the games, so i can't see a reason to just have him in the squad for the sake of having him there.
As far as selectors rating Voges ahead of Hussey is concerned i have only this to say !!

Yeah I know what you mean. I just disagree with you and would pick Lee at the expense of Clark.

 

[iamdavid]

Australia's selectors in a very enviable position atm, if they went with the no suprises 13 it'd probably read-

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Clarke
Symonds
Hussey
Hopes
Hogg
Lee
Johnson
Bracken
Haddin
Hilfenhaus

Hodge really looked out of place in that India series and I dont think he's been convincing enough for victoria since then to get a look in(despite his double hundred against the likes of Aaron Nye).

Watson still not 100% fit and yet and has 15 runs in his last 4 digs, dont think they'll rush him back.

Would be suprised if Tait was picked aswell, because of what happened last time they rushed him in, clearly bowling very well for South Australia but with so much cricket coming up I dont know that they'll risk him.

However I would be very suprised if they did go with the full-strength squad, with so much cricket on the horizon I reckon they'll rest Gilchrist and probably one or two others. Either David Hussey or Voges will get a run in the squad (probably Voges), although Dighton is a real bolter, Ponting has seen him first hand over the last couple of weeks and if Gilchrist rests they are short an opener. I'd also be pretty suprised if Noffke isnt given a run in the squad given just how red-hot his form is atm.

 

[pasag]

Australia's selectors in a very enviable position atm, if they went with the no suprises 13 it'd probably read-

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Clarke
Symonds
Hussey
Hopes
Hogg
Lee
Johnson
Bracken
Haddin
Hilfenhaus

Hodge really looked out of place in that India series and I dont think he's been convincing enough for victoria since then to get a look in(despite his double hundred against the likes of Aaron Nye).

Watson still not 100% fit and yet and has 15 runs in his last 4 digs, dont think they'll rush him back.

Would be suprised if Tait was picked aswell, because of what happened last time they rushed him in, clearly bowling very well for South Australia but with so much cricket coming up I dont know that they'll risk him.

However I would be very suprised if they did go with the full-strength squad, with so much cricket on the horizon I reckon they'll rest Gilchrist and probably one or two others. Either David Hussey or Voges will get a run in the squad (probably Voges), although Dighton is a real bolter, Ponting has seen him first hand over the last couple of weeks and if Gilchrist rests they are short an opener. I'd also be pretty suprised if Noffke isnt given a run in the squad given just how red-hot his form is atm.

Yeah, I was also thinking Ponting seeing Dighton first hand would certainly push his case, still a massive long shot though. How much clout does Ponting have with selectors though? Something I've always wanted to know.

 

[Craig]

If Noffke hasn't done neough to secure an ODI spot at least, what more must he do?

 

[NZTailender]

If Noffke hasn't done neough to secure an ODI spot at least, what more must he do?

Ring Mubarak and ask for tips

 

[cameeel]

I didn't even notice Lee's exclusion tbh. I would swap the average Stu Clark and bring in Lee and would be very happy with that squad.

I have a feeling Voges is ahead of Hussey though in the selectors eyes.

Agree with Nufan here, regardless of Clark's performances and ability in Test matches, he's a very underwhelming ODI bowler; this is backed up by his stats of 39 wickets in 28 matches at an average of 30 and an economy of 5.27.

I don't see how Lee bowling a maximum of 30 overs over the entire series is likely to render him exhausted for the Boxing Day Test, especially given that there's a week between the 3rd ODI and the Test match.

Voges is probably ahead of Hussey, but to be honest I rate Hussey as being far, far superior to Voges; though I'm biased towards Hussey for State reasons. Statistically, Hussey is also a clearly superior option for both ODI's and Test matches:

Hussey vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Voges[/COLOR]: FC

M: 112 vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]35[/COLOR]
Av: 55.55 vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]38.52[/COLOR]
C: 34 vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]6[/COLOR]

Whilst the centuries count is misleading due to the massive difference in experience, Hussey scores a century on average every 3.6 matches, whereas Voges 5.8 matches - a fairly telling statistic as far as class goes.

Hussey vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Voges[/COLOR]: ODD

M: 119 vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]39[/COLOR]
Av: 40.10 vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]46.63[/COLOR]
C: 5 vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]1[/COLOR]
SR: n/a vs [COLOR="DarkGreen"]76.15[/COLOR]

So while Voges is statistically the better ODD batsman, I still can't see why this has got him (seemingly) nearer the test team than David Hussey, particularly given that there's only a 2 year age gap between them.

 

[iamdavid]

Yeah, I was also thinking Ponting seeing Dighton first hand would certainly push his case, still a massive long shot though. How much clout does Ponting have with selectors though? Something I've always wanted to know.

Far as I know they consult him and ask his opinions on certain players which they take into account but at the end of the day they pick the squad independently.

 

[NZTailender]

Agree with Nufan here, regardless of Clark's performances and ability in Test matches, he's a very underwhelming ODI bowler; this is backed up by his stats of 39 wickets in 28 matches at an average of 30 and an economy of 5.27.

I don't see how Lee bowling a maximum of 30 overs over the entire series is likely to render him exhausted for the Boxing Day Test, especially given that there's a week between the 3rd ODI and the Test match.

Voges is probably ahead of Hussey, but to be honest I rate Hussey as being far, far superior to Voges; though I'm biased towards Hussey for State reasons.

AWTA on all three levels.

Lee has to play if Australia want to win. We struggle against genuine pace and I think the Australian attack will be clueless without him. Who would lead it in his absence? Johnson doesn't have the experience and Tait can go for easy runs as well. It would fall to Clark, who is a best a passable ODI bowler.

 

[pasag]

I think Clark is an ordinary ODI bowler according to Australian standards, tbh. Without McGrath in the side, I'm not convinced there is no room for him at first or second drop outside the XI and after Johnson, maybe Hilfenhaus. Lee, Bracken, Tait and Hogg is a bowling line-up that I'd get really excited about though.

 

[NZTailender]

I think Clark is an ordinary ODI bowler according to Australian standards, tbh. Without McGrath in the side, I'm not convinced there is no room for him at first or second drop outside the XI and after Johnson, maybe Hilfenhaus. Lee, Bracken, Tait and Hogg is a bowling line-up that I'd get really excited about though.

Goes without saying. There are plenty of better options in Australia. Only a couple better from most other countries.

 

[Laurrz]

I think Clark is an ordinary ODI bowler according to Australian standards, tbh. Without McGrath in the side, I'm not convinced there is no room for him at first or second drop outside the XI and after Johnson, maybe Hilfenhaus. Lee, Bracken, Tait and Hogg is a bowling line-up that I'd get really excited about though.

yea agreed, as much as im a big fan of him... he's like Asif/Hoggard.. struggles in ODI's but freakish good in tests

Lee Johnson Bracken Hogg Hopes/Symonds/Clarke i like... Tait and Johnson are like equally good for me though..

 

[Days of Grace]

In in recent news, Bracewell has confirmed his growing insanity by selecting the same squad for Australia that just faced South Africa.

Meaning, Hopkins retains his spot and Fulton misses out. WTF?????

 

[Days of Grace]

I think Clark is an ordinary ODI bowler according to Australian standards, tbh. Without McGrath in the side, I'm not convinced there is no room for him at first or second drop outside the XI and after Johnson, maybe Hilfenhaus. Lee, Bracken, Tait and Hogg is a bowling line-up that I'd get really excited about though.

If Clark is being touted as the replacement for McGrath, then like McGrath, he should open with the new ball in ODIs. He is accurate and he gets movement. He would be best with the new ball.

When the ball gets older, his predictable length becomes cannon-fodder.

 

[Athlai]

In in recent news, Bracewell has confirmed his growing insanity by selecting the same squad for Australia that just faced South Africa.

Meaning, Hopkins retains his spot and Fulton misses out. WTF?????

Hopkins go home!

What good is it going to do him to have an out of form player sitting on the bench.

FFS fire Bracewell.

 

[Athlai]

If Clark is being touted as the replacement for McGrath, then like McGrath, he should open with the new ball in ODIs. He is accurate and he gets movement. He would be best with the new ball.

When the ball gets older, his predictable length becomes cannon-fodder.

But NZ always played quite well against McGrath. And if Clark is a poor man's McGrath we should play him a little bit better too.

Edit: Nevermind we did well in the Tests, in ODI he usually creamed us. (Though went at more runs than he usually does 4+ )

 

[Days of Grace]

But NZ always played quite well against McGrath. And if Clark is a poor man's McGrath we should play him a little bit better too.

McGrath vs. New Zealand in ODIs.
32 273.5 1170 59 5/37 4/16 19.83 4.27 27.8 2 1

Only thing is his E/R was higher then his overall stats. Maybe because NZ tried to attack him more, I don't know. Could be a reflection of the last few years when NZ chased massive totals. The stats up to 2005 would be interesting.

 

[Days of Grace]

Hopkins go home!

What good is it going to do him to have an out of form player sitting on the bench.

FFS fire Bracewell.

Mind you, Hadlee is also part of the selection panel, but how much say he has compared to Bracewell, I don't know.

Anyway, I would never mock the great Hadlee.

 

[Athlai]

McGrath vs. New Zealand in ODIs.
32 273.5 1170 59 5/37 4/16 19.83 4.27 27.8 2 1

Only thing is his E/R was higher then his overall stats. Maybe because NZ tried to attack him more, I don't know. Could be a reflection of the last few years when NZ chased massive totals. The stats up to 2005 would be interesting.

Before 2005 still at 4.26, we had our strategy. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't.

 

[Athlai]

Mind you, Hadlee is also part of the selection panel, but how much say he has compared to Bracewell, I don't know.

Anyway, I would never mock the great Hadlee.

Easier to blame Bracewell for all our woes IMO.

 

[Days of Grace]

Judging by his average, most of the time it didn't.