Best Test Bowler(s) since 2000

[Athlai]

You're counting Bangladesh and Zimbabwe still, it falls to 22.

As Warne's falls closer to 26 in the same conditions I'd probably say it's still ridiculous.

 

[Richard]

Um, he plays in the most spin-friendly conditions and it has nothing to do with his success? Warne does better in Sri Lanka than Murali does. Let that be a clue.

Also, the first 2 years of this century Warne was in some of the worst shape of his life struggling for form and health. It dents his figures tremendously.

So? When did I even mention Warne? Why does Warne have to come-up every time Murali is mentioned?

Playing in the most spin-friendly conditions in The World really doesn't matter for a bowler like Murali, as he can turn the ball on any surface. His figures are impressive wherever he bowls.

 

[Flem274*]

Um, he plays in the most spin-friendly conditions and it has nothing to do with his success? Warne does better in Sri Lanka than Murali does. Let that be a clue.

Also, the first 2 years of this century Warne was in some of the worst shape of his life struggling for form and health. It dents his figures tremendously.

I take it you're a Murali hater? You and Fiery should form a club..

 

[Richard]

KaZo's one of those strange people who has what I'd call suppressed Murali-hate. Don't see it often.

 

[Ikki]

So? When did I even mention Warne? Why does Warne have to come-up every time Murali is mentioned?

Playing in the most spin-friendly conditions in The World really doesn't matter for a bowler like Murali, as he can turn the ball on any surface. His figures are impressive wherever he bowls.

Because we are comparing them. And by comparing them in THAT instance it shows how much benefit bowling on those pitches is. It certainly DOES matter for Murali because, unlike Warne, his away figures and his home figures are completely different.

 

[Ikki]

I take it you're a Murali hater? You and Fiery should form a club..

No, I am just giving some proper perspective. I don't hate the guy, but there are certain factors that unless you take into account, you would be misleading yourself and others.

 

[Richard]

Because we are comparing them. And by comparing them in THAT instance it shows how much benefit bowling on those pitches is. It certainly DOES matter for Murali because unlike Warne, his away figures and his home figures are completely different.

I am not comparing them - I'm saying Murali's figures are exceedingly good, regardless of whether it's Bangladesh or Test-class teams he's playing against.

How are Murali's away figures so massively different from his home ones?

 

[Ikki]

KaZo's one of those strange people who has what I'd call suppressed Murali-hate. Don't see it often.

Not at all. Just telling it like it is, and I don't see why it always has to be hate/love thing whenever Murali is discussed.

 

[Athlai]

No, I am just giving some proper perspective. I don't hate the guy, but there are certain factors that unless you take into account, you would be misleading yourself and others.

He averages 22 away from the sub continent and not playing a minnow, what more could you ask for?

 

[Flem274*]

Because we are comparing them. And by comparing them in THAT instance it shows how much benefit bowling on those pitches is. It certainly DOES matter for Murali because unlike Warne, his away figures and his home figures are completely different.

Well then, lets see them. And their minnow excluding averages, and their strike rates, then we'll get........absolutely no where. This argument will never end.

 

[Ikki]

He averages 22 away from the sub continent and not playing a minnow, what more could you ask for?

Nothing, except that Warne averages 22 away from home and strikes 6 balls quicker. That's why I say that unless you put them into perspective you wouldn't say his figures are ridiculous. There is someone who is just as good, if not better.

 

[Flem274*]

He averages 22 away from the sub continent and not playing a minnow, what more could you ask for?

He isn't blond, isn't slightly overweight, and isn't Australian...

 

[Athlai]

Nothing, except that Warne averages 22 away from home and strikes 6 balls quicker.

Thats including the subcontinent though isn't it?

 

[Richard]

Well then, lets see them. And their minnow excluding averages, and their strike rates, then we'll get........absolutely no where. This argument will never end.

Just be greatful that C_C and social are no more, and that you weren't around when it was they on the case.

 

[Flem274*]

Just be greatful that C_C and social are no more, and that you weren't around when it was they on the case.

I think I remember a C_C argument. Predictably it became a flame war. I think it was something to do with todays great batsmen wouldn't have a show in hell against 80's quicks.

 

[Ikki]

I am not comparing them - I'm saying Murali's figures are exceedingly good, regardless of whether it's Bangladesh or Test-class teams he's playing against.

How are Murali's away figures so massively different from his home ones?

Who said massive? I said completely different; they paint different pictures. Averaging in the 18s and striking in the 40s to averaging 22 and striking at 52?

And I didn't say his figures are poor when you take those out. They are still great. They're just not 'ridiculous'. To which you replied...

 

[Ikki]

Thats including the subcontinent though isn't it?

That's including everything.

 

[Dasa]

Not at all. Just telling it like it is, and I don't see why it always has to be hate/love thing whenever Murali is discussed.

Haha piss off, you'll take any opportunity you'll get to have a go at Murali. Don't act all innocent, just admit it and get on with it.

 

[Ikki]

He isn't blond, isn't slightly overweight, and isn't Australian...

This is ridiculous. Have I said 1 thing that wasn't a fact? It's really because of this "well you must be really really biased or racist unless you think Murali is the greatest" that makes these arguments spiral to crap.

 

[Richard]

I think I remember a C_C argument. Predictably it became a flame war. I think it was something to do with todays great batsmen wouldn't have a show in hell against 80's quicks.

'90s probably.

Basically, anything which involved a "white" country and C_C was always fairly liable to degenerate into a flame-war, and anything that involved the subcontinent and "social" likewise. I highly doubt C_C went out at night thinking "how many white guys am I gonna bash-up today" nor social "how many brown guys am I gonna bash-up today", but there's no denying, IMO, that there was subconscious prejudice on the part of the two.