***Official*** India in England

[Amrutha]

lot of discussion going about other things than the cricket

 

[Sanz]

Yes, I am. I work for Indian Express and Andhra Prabha in Hyderabad.

I write sports articles for Sunday Express and for Andhra Prabha I do frequent write ups. IE is an English dailly and Andhra prabha is a telugu daily

I know IE is an English Daily. So Do you write in Sunday Express English Edition or Andhra Prabha Telugu edition ?

 

[Raghav]

I know IE is an English Daily. So Do you write in Sunday Express English Edition or Andhra Prabha Telugu edition ?

I write for Sunday Express. Its a weekly edition.

As I am well-versed with Telugu , I also take up writing Telugu sports articles . But we have got another journalist for telugu sports.

 

[Raghav]

No insults - Don't insult people. Pretty straight-forward, that one. This includes insults directed towards both individuals and groups of people.

No flame wars - This is basically when two people are in an argument on the forums and resort to personal attacks on each other. No tolerance will be given for this sort of thing. Just keep in mind that you are arguing via text on a public message board... Is there really a clean cut winner? I suggest you keep that sort of thing on someone else's board or some instant messaging service.

No trolling/baiting - This is where you constantly make digs at a member who doesn't appreciate it with the hope of annoying them and/or getting a negative reaction out of them. Don't do it.

Forum atmosphere - Members causing detrimental effects to forum atmosphere are subject to bans.

I dont insult until the other insult.

I dont attack personally until they are personal attacks on me

There is no wrong in supporting my own team. You can look back at the posts in this thread. Until and unless there is some thing against me, I didnt insult/attack anyone

 

[Raghav]

Again I didnt start by my own.

I am sorry. I apologise

 

[Perm]

I dont insult until the other insult.

I dont attack personally until they are personal attacks on me

There is no wrong in supporting my own team. You can look back at the posts in this thread. Until and unless there is some thing against me, I didnt insult/attack anyone

In that case,

Note: Retaliation - Just because 'they started it' doesn't mean you have a right to break rules when you respond to them. It's better to just report the post and let the mods deal with it.

 

[adharcric]

Well, with that sentence it's clear your a journalist, my apologies.........

 

[adharcric]

Dead set, you are one absolute idiot.

I've never seen someone actually degrade someone for having 'too few posts', its generally the other way around.

If something isn't done about you soon, I reckon there's going to be a few people posting in these tour threads a lot less often, myself being one of them.

Cheers for ruining the atmosphere of the board

Completely agree. CW used to be special for me because of the quality of posters around here. Unfortunately, that seems to be a thing of the past and this thread has recently given glimpses of Cricbuzz. Perhaps something is being done behind the scenes (doubtful) but otherwise, the moderation in this case has been embarrassing. I can't believe this guy is still around. Do we have a rule against creating a terrible forum atmosphere? That should be at the top of the list and the moderators should be able to make a judgment that is "not up for discussion", as usual.

Oh yeah, please don't pull out the default "these things should be discussed off the forums" card. How many times have I reported posts and sent e-mails to the moderation team? Yes, there has been some action and I appreciate that ... but this guy has been warned several times and he still hasn't stopped. I am usually one to defend and support the moderation team but this is disgraceful. The moderation team has some intelligent folks so I expect much better than this.

 

[pasag]

Completely agree. CW used to be special for me because of the quality of posters around here. Unfortunately, that seems to be a thing of the past and this thread has recently given glimpses of Cricbuzz. Perhaps something is being done behind the scenes (doubtful) but otherwise, the moderation in this case has been embarrassing. I can't believe this guy is still around. Do we have a rule against creating a terrible forum atmosphere? That should be at the top of the list and the moderators should be able to make a judgment that is "not up for discussion", as usual.

Oh yeah, please don't pull out the default "these things should be discussed off the forums" card. How many times have I reported posts and sent e-mails to the moderation team? Yes, there has been some action and I appreciate that ... but this guy has been warned several times and he still hasn't stopped. I am usually one to defend and support the moderation team but this is disgraceful. The moderation team has some intelligent folks so I expect much better than this.

There has been ALOT of discussion about it in the mod forum and we have decided on a way to handle the matter and a course of action to go forward, so your calling the way we have handled the matter 'disgraceful', to me, is pretty misguided to say the least, not to mention the mods have been on top of him from day 1, specifically SS and Prince EWS.

 

[adharcric]

There has been ALOT of discussion about it in the mod forum and we have decided on a way to handle the matter and a course of action to go forward, so your calling the way we have handled the matter 'disgraceful', to me, is pretty misguided to say the least, not to mention the mods have been on top of him from day 1, specifically SS and Prince EWS.

Yes, I know there has been plenty of discussion; that's great but that's not moderation. If you have a plan, fair enough - I hope it works. I also expressed my appreciation of the moderation from SS and Prince EWS but quite frankly, it's not even close to enough.

By the way, I called the moderation embarrassing (because I hold you guys in high regard) - disgraceful referred to the overall situation at hand.

Well said SJS.

 

[SJS]

SJS was quite severe putting Karthik among the hopeless ones, but we saw yesterday that a good chase and a good dive from him resulted in getting Pieterson out.

You know HB, the problem with Karthik is not that he cant field or is lazy (unlike people like Munaf) but that he behaves like a Jack-in-the-box. He sometimes does that at the batting crease also but seems to have calmed down a bit in the tests. I would still like to see more of fewer-edges-more-leaves type of batting from him.

But on the field he behaves like Dhoni does at the crease when he first comes into bat. There is this nervous energy which refuses to let him calm down. He reminds me a lot of Kaif fielding close to the wicket, particularly in the slips. He looked so uncomfortable. He almost looked as if he was missing the 'start' he takes at cover when berring in as the bowler approached the bowling crease. Butat least kaif was not 'tense' (for want of a better word) in the outfield.

Fielding is not about tension. Most great fielders are all about reaxation and stillness of the head (inside and outside). Thas what Kaarthik fails to do and hence the shockers from someone who , otherwise, has all the makings and, more importantly, the attitude of a top class fielder.

Till he corrects that you will keep getting from him brilliant pieces of fielding interspersed with absolute shockers.

 

[Perm]

Completely agree. CW used to be special for me because of the quality of posters around here. Unfortunately, that seems to be a thing of the past and this thread has recently given glimpses of Cricbuzz.

It's very sad, but it's the truth.

 

[SJS]

It's very sad, but it's the truth.

My going away for longer stretches has at least as much to do with the vitiated atmosphere as with my slightly indifferent health. I think we have a problem which needs to be set right. In my experience this has been one of the finest forums on the net. I am not an internet freak and do not go about spending long hours on chat forums. The one earlier stint before this came to an end for similar reasons. I then discovered CW. It was like a breath of fresh air. By and latge the discussion was healthy, the atmosphere very friendly, the tone polite and one felt like one was amongst particularly civilised and well brought up people. Please do not misconstrue these words as condescendingfor they are not. This is just to indicate how very differnt CW has been from most of what goes around on chat forums. It would be tragic if we lost this admirable thing called 'great atmosphere'.

There were (and still are) some absolutely wonderful people here and one felt a desire to meet these people personally and cultivate their friendships beyond the internet. For someone as old as me (from nearly two generations before some of the younger people) this was a fantastic experience. On top of that theer were so many knowledgeable people to talk to. Passion and love of the game is a near given on such forums bu depth knowledge is becoming an increasingly difficult commodity to come across in the game's followers. So even when we differed it was because someone had a different point of view not because we just insisted on having the last word come what may - Richard excepted - kidding.

Of course there were exceptions but they were never allowed to hijack the forum. Some incorrigible exceptions were tolerated and smiled at and sometimes banned when they crossed the limits but most importantly members politely but firmly indicated to the transgressor when undefined lines of whats proper were being crossed. Not just by the person to who an insult was addressed.

We dont just need more or better moderators, we need better moderation by all those who are NOT nominated as moderators but have the interest of the forum at heart.

As far as official moderation is concerned, I have no idea how it works and whatare the parameters so my comments that follow are not specifically addressed to any failing on the part of the moderators.

I think moderation doesnt have to start just when someone uses really intolerable language. If you are really aware and vigilant you can smell a problem much before it becomes a real mess. Course correction, mild but firm rebukes, etc are extremely important but work only if they are timely. You can see a bad egg, you can see atrouble maker but even if you cant do this, surely you can see who is willing to listen (even to a mild rebuke) and who is perrenially defiant. The second lot are clearly 'possible' trouble. They need to be 'handled' quickly.

We dont have to agree with all that the moderators do but we do have to 'obey' the 'law'. Ifwe do not agree get in touch with James off the forum.

Finally someone here said

I dont insult until the other insult.

I dont attack personally until they are personal attacks on me​

This is a perfect example of what is wrong here. Who says its okay to follow an insult on you with an insult in response ? If tit for tat is what is being suggested then this is not going to improve the atmosphere. This is a call for all out abuse.

If you are insulted. You have other options. State in firm and decent words that you do not appreciate that. If it continues, report to James. In any event there is such a thing as an ignore option. I have more than a dozen people there. I doubtif I have really been 'insulted ' by any of them. Its mostly people who just cant discuss rationally and some who tend to take everything personally and immediately resort to the kind of language one does not use with friends.

I am here to be with friends. If I find someone I cant really be friendly with, the ignore option is a wonderful tool for me never to 'find' . 'hear' or be tempted to respond to those who arent friendly. I dont come here to spoil my mood so why should I get into an argument once I have realised that this is getting ugly or unbecoming of how friends behave with each other.

Mind you it could be because of how I am too. I am not passing any judgements here on those in my ignore listexcept that they and I are perhaps not a match made in heaven

Yes, once in a while I do lose my cool butthe moment my temperature comes down, I say sorry, be as polite as I can to the person concerned and bid him goodbye - for good.

Try it , it works.

I had posted something similar more than a year back. Since then the forum has changed a bitand we have lost quite a few important members. We need to worry if some of them are gone because they dont enjoy beinghere anymore. We need to understand that quality is what made CW not numbers.

 

[honestbharani]

hey guys,
Just a quick info off topic. How has irfan pathan been doing in domestic circuit. Is there any chance that he might atleast play the home series in india later this year.

depends on how he goes in the Twenty20 WC, I reckon....

 

[SJS]

Yes, I know there has been plenty of discussion; that's great but that's not moderation. If you have a plan, fair enough - I hope it works. I also expressed my appreciation of the moderation from SS and Prince EWS but quite frankly, it's not even close to enough.

By the way, I called the moderation embarrassing (because I hold you guys in high regard) - disgraceful referred to the overall situation at hand.

Well said SJS

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What was that about ?

I couldnt find anything so I presumed you were goading me to say something on the subject. Hence I did. And you know me. If it can be said in a 1000 words why limit oneself

 

[honestbharani]

My going away for longer stretches has at least as much to do with the vitiated atmosphere as with my slightly indifferent health. I think we have a problem which needs to be set right. In my experience this has been one of the finest forums on the net. I am not an internet freak and do not go about spending long hours on chat forums. The one earlier stint before this came to an end for similar reasons. I then discovered CW. It was like a breath of fresh air. By and latge the discussion was healthy, the atmosphere very friendly, the tone polite and one felt like one was amongst particularly civilised and well brought up people. Please do not misconstrue these words as condescendingfor they are not. This is just to indicate how very differnt CW has been from most of what goes around on chat forums. It would be tragic if we lost this admirable thing called 'great atmosphere'.

There were (and still are) some absolutely wonderful people here and one felt a desire to meet these people personally and cultivate their friendships beyond the internet. For someone as old as me (from nearly two generations before some of the younger people) this was a fantastic experience. On top of that theer were so many knowledgeable people to talk to. Passion and love of the game is a near given on such forums bu depth knowledge is becoming an increasingly difficult commodity to come across in the game's followers. So even when we differed it was because someone had a different point of view not because we just insisted on having the last word come what may - Richard excepted - kidding.

Of course there were exceptions but they were never allowed to hijack the forum. Some incorrigible exceptions were tolerated and smiled at and sometimes banned when they crossed the limits but most importantly members politely but firmly indicated to the transgressor when undefined lines of whats proper were being crossed. Not just by the person to who an insult was addressed.

We dont just need more or better moderators, we need better moderation by all those who are NOT nominated as moderators but have the interest of the forum at heart.

As far as official moderation is concerned, I have no idea how it works and whatare the parameters so my comments that follow are not specifically addressed to any failing on the part of the moderators.

I think moderation doesnt have to start just when someone uses really intolerable language. If you are really aware and vigilant you can smell a problem much before it becomes a real mess. Course correction, mild but firm rebukes, etc are extremely important but work only if they are timely. You can see a bad egg, you can see atrouble maker but even if you cant do this, surely you can see who is willing to listen (even to a mild rebuke) and who is perrenially defiant. The second lot are clearly 'possible' trouble. They need to be 'handled' quickly.

We dont have to agree with all that the moderators do but we do have to 'obey' the 'law'. Ifwe do not agree get in touch with James off the forum.

Finally someone here said

I dont insult until the other insult.

I dont attack personally until they are personal attacks on me​

This is a perfect example of what is wrong here. Who says its okay to follow an insult on you with an insult in response ? If tit for tat is what is being suggested then this is not going to improve the atmosphere. This is a call for all out abuse.

If you are insulted. You have other options. State in firm and decent words that you do not appreciate that. If it continues, report to James. In any event there is such a thing as an ignore option. I have more than a dozen people there. I doubtif I have really been 'insulted ' by any of them. Its mostly people who just cant discuss rationally and some who tend to take everything personally and immediately resort to the kind of language one does not use with friends.

I am here to be with friends. If I find someone I cant really be friendly with, the ignore option is a wonderful tool for me never to 'find' . 'hear' or be tempted to respond to those who arent friendly. I dont come here to spoil my mood so why should I get into an argument once I have realised that this is getting ugly or unbecoming of how friends behave with each other.

Mind you it could be because of how I am too. I am not passing any judgements here on those in my ignore listexcept that they and I are perhaps not a match made in heaven

Yes, once in a while I do lose my cool butthe moment my temperature comes down, I say sorry, be as polite as I can to the person concerned and bid him goodbye - for good.

Try it , it works.

I had posted something similar more than a year back. Since then the forum has changed a bitand we have lost quite a few important members. We need to worry if some of them are gone because they dont enjoy beinghere anymore. We need to understand that quality is what made CW not numbers.

top post, sir......



And you know, you really should NOT limit yourself as far as posting in CW is concerned.... You know how much we appreciate your posts here.

 

[honestbharani]

You know HB, the problem with Karthik is not that he cant field or is lazy (unlike people like Munaf) but that he behaves like a Jack-in-the-box. He sometimes does that at the batting crease also but seems to have calmed down a bit in the tests. I would still like to see more of fewer-edges-more-leaves type of batting from him.

But on the field he behaves like Dhoni does at the crease when he first comes into bat. There is this nervous energy which refuses to let him calm down. He reminds me a lot of Kaif fielding close to the wicket, particularly in the slips. He looked so uncomfortable. He almost looked as if he was missing the 'start' he takes at cover when berring in as the bowler approached the bowling crease. Butat least kaif was not 'tense' (for want of a better word) in the outfield.

Fielding is not about tension. Most great fielders are all about reaxation and stillness of the head (inside and outside). Thas what Kaarthik fails to do and hence the shockers from someone who , otherwise, has all the makings and, more importantly, the attitude of a top class fielder.

Till he corrects that you will keep getting from him brilliant pieces of fielding interspersed with absolute shockers.

I actually totally agree with that all, SJS, but I just think you were a tad severe on him putting him amongst the hopeless ones.


And honestly, we have to understand that fielding is new to him as well and I do believe that he will tone it down and get better as we go along. Now the trouble would be, are the team management willing to be patient with him?

 

[SJS]

I actually totally agree with that all, SJS, but I just think you were a tad severe on him putting him amongst the hopeless ones.


And honestly, we have to understand that fielding is new to him as well and I do believe that he will tone it down and get better as we go along. Now the trouble would be, are the team management willing to be patient with him?

Oh of course. He is not hopeless.

I was just trying to show how many of the fielders in today's side have a problem compared to whatseemed to be an improving Indian side last year.

I have no doubt Karthik can turn out to be one outr our better fielders.

 

[Raghav]

Ignore if you dont like the persons. Why do you make hell out it. I kindly request the mates in this thread to ignore the person whom do you think are spoiling the atmosphere. Why do you make a lot hell by discussing offtopic.

Funny mate to make personal attacks. I still assure you that someone will personal attack after this post too..

 

[Raghav]

Oh of course. He is not hopeless.

I was just trying to show how many of the fielders in today's side have a problem compared to whatseemed to be an improving Indian side last year.

I have no doubt Karthik can turn out to be one outr our better fielders.

Karthik is a better fielder than many others in the Indian side. But he sometimes become over-enthusiastic and loses his concentration on the field. He must control himself on the ground for the sake himself and for the team. The only concern about him is that, he becomes hero by a catch and he drops too many which are silly to his standards. I hope Robin Singh will speak to him on this.