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*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Agreed with your comments (if you look in my original post, I stated the same point re Bradman). My post was not intended to compare Bradman with Murali (both are incomprable), but just to state that already Murali has pulled ahead of almost all bowlers in his era, and will surely be the best of bowler of all time when he retires...by sheer weight of performance against all comers

Hence, the tag "Bradman-The Murali of Batting" is no different to comparing "Murali-as the Bradman of bowling" (the topic of this thread) as rather pointless as both are great, but different...QED!

Unless of course your are an ardent one-eyed rabid Australian supporter (known affectionately in cricketing circles as OERAS)...in which case you are excused completely, in advance, for failing to agree passionately with this viewpoint.
I was "failing to agree passionately" with you already, based primarily on the notion that Muralis IS comparable to other bowlers (and has been compared ad-nauseum to one other in particular on here) and that that neither Murali nor anyone else is so far ahead of his rivals as a bowler as Bradman is as a batsman. Or ever will be.

But your last paragraph, for bringing nationality into it and its pure unadulterated lack of any factual correctness in thinking that only us damn biased Aussies would possibly dare to think that Bradman might just be more of a phenomenon with the bat than any man ever has been with the ball, was the icing on your already spectacularly unappealing cake.
 

Malleeboy

U19 12th Man
I've just had an epiphany of why Warne took drugs and associated with bookies!

He was trying to stop Murali taking out the award he is a dead cert for.

Most contraversial bowler of all time :laugh:
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I've just had an epiphany of why Warne took drugs and associated with bookies!

He was trying to stop Murali taking out the award he is a dead cert for.

Most contraversial bowler of all time :laugh:
That would perhaps explain Warney's approach to batting as well... He was perhaps trying to make sure Murali didn't win another award........



The "I have no idea y I am batting like this" award..... :laugh:
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
TBH, I'm surprised he hasn't already been mentioned because in regards to picking players who you've played against, Murali has been pretty bad or average anytime he has faced Warne, whether for Sri Lanka or the ICC World XI.
Murali
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Series Win Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5w 10

Australia in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
Aus 3 209.1 649 28 6/59 11/212 23.17 3.10 44.8 4 1
ICC Super Series Test Match (Aus/ICC) in Australia, 2005/06 [Series]
Aus 1 54 157 5 3/55 5/157 31.40 2.90 64.8 0 0



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Shane Warne
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Series Win Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5w 10


Australia in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
Aus 3 168 521 26 5/43 10/155 20.03 3.10 38.7 4 2


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Series Win Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5w 10

ICC Super Series Test Match (Aus/ICC) in Australia, 2005/06 [Series]
Aus 1 31 71 6 3/23 6/71 11.83 2.29 31.0 0 0

I guess you've limited memory then of the last 2 series they played against each other.

Murali took 28 wickets against Australia (and considering the Australian batting vs SL batting power then) comfortably outplayed Shane despite being on the losing side .(Shane taking 26 SL wickets at slightly lower average).

Then the ICC series , Murali took 5 Australian wickets as opposed to Shane taking 6 ICC wickets (in a match where the commitment of ICC batsmen was questioned very widely).

So I think you are being facetious in your comments there.
 
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The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
I guess you've limited memory then of the last 2 series they played against each other.

Murali took 28 wickets against Australia (and considering the Australian batting vs SL batting power then) comfortably outplayed Shane despite being on the losing side .(Shane taking 26 SL wickets at slightly lower average).

Then the ICC series , Murali took 5 Australian wickets as opposed to Shane taking 6 ICC wickets (in a match where the commitment of ICC batsmen was questioned very widely).

So I think you are being facetious in your comments there.
I thought they were pretty even stevens that series - two absolute masters going one-for-one. Murali more wickets, Warne the better average and strike rate. Australia a stronger batting line-up, but Murali on home turf and with less competition for his wickets. Nothing between them IMO.

The Australia v RoW match can be taken as seriously or as frivously as you want to take it - but again there's really very little in it. I don't think either bowler could point to those matches you mentioned and say "I was clearly superior".
 
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JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
I thought they were pretty even stevens that series - two absolute masters going one-for-one. Murali more wickets, Warne the better average and strike rate. Australia a stronger batting line-up, but Murali at home and with less competition for his wickets. Nothing between them IMO.

The Australia v RoW match can be taken as seriously or as frivously as you want to take it - but again there really very little in it. I don't think either bowler could point to those matches you mentioned and say "I was clearly superior".
Agree, hence my comments wrt Kaza's statement which is farcical.
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
I guess you've limited memory then of the last 2 series they played against each other.

Murali took 28 wickets against Australia (and considering the Australian batting vs SL batting power then) comfortably outplayed Shane despite being on the losing side .(Shane taking 26 SL wickets at slightly lower average).

Then the ICC series , Murali took 5 Australian wickets as opposed to Shane taking 6 ICC wickets (in a match where the commitment of ICC batsmen was questioned very widely).

So I think you are being facetious in your comments there.

Hmm I watched all of that Sri Lanka series in 2004 and I'm of the opinion Warne put on the better show. I know Murali picked up a stack of wickets, but he really didnt look amazingly threatening, it was asthough the Australians all got out to him eventually because nobody else was going to get them out, rather than being bamboozled upon coming to the wicket. And he picked up alot of tailenders aswell.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Murali
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Series Win Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5w 10

Australia in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
Aus 3 209.1 649 28 6/59 11/212 23.17 3.10 44.8 4 1
ICC Super Series Test Match (Aus/ICC) in Australia, 2005/06 [Series]
Aus 1 54 157 5 3/55 5/157 31.40 2.90 64.8 0 0



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Shane Warne
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Series Win Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5w 10


Australia in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
Aus 3 168 521 26 5/43 10/155 20.03 3.10 38.7 4 2


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Series Win Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5w 10

ICC Super Series Test Match (Aus/ICC) in Australia, 2005/06 [Series]
Aus 1 31 71 6 3/23 6/71 11.83 2.29 31.0 0 0

I guess you've limited memory then of the last 2 series they played against each other.

Murali took 28 wickets against Australia (and considering the Australian batting vs SL batting power then) comfortably outplayed Shane despite being on the losing side .(Shane taking 26 SL wickets at slightly lower average).

Then the ICC series , Murali took 5 Australian wickets as opposed to Shane taking 6 ICC wickets (in a match where the commitment of ICC batsmen was questioned very widely).

So I think you are being facetious in your comments there.
Murali is bound to get a lot of wickets, he bowls the same amount as two regular bowlers combined. His record against Australia in Australia is very poor and overall is at best average. Yes, he took wickets, but at what cost? Bowling that many overs, conceding those runs and then taking those wickets is no great feat.

And in the series in Sri Lanka Warne was EASILY the better performer. Didn't he win the man of the series also? You saying Murali comfortably outplayed him is so far off that I am not sure you watched the series. Warne was not only better statistically but his input actually swayed the matches.
 
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JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
Hmm I watched all of that Sri Lanka series in 2004 and I'm of the opinion Warne put on the better show. I know Murali picked up a stack of wickets, but he really didnt look amazingly threatening, it was asthough the Australians all got out to him eventually because nobody else was going to get them out, rather than being bamboozled upon coming to the wicket. And he picked up alot of tailenders aswell.
I watched that series live in Sri Lanka, considering the strength of Australian batting line up and without much support , Murali single handedly kept Sri Lanka in the game for most of all three Tests until the SL batsmen folded without much fight and lost all three Tests.

Where did you watch it from , in front of your TV screen was it ? Tailender's wickets , my foot. That's Warne who took tailenders in large numbers to get the 26 he did...Go and count again ...

As far as Murali not being threatening....the guy single handedly Kept SL in contention of winning all three Tests till the last day...WTF more do you need for the guy to prove against the batting strength of the Team he was bowling (without much support from other bowlers), while Warne picked up a significant number of SL tailender's to come up with 5 wicket hauls and being on the winning Team got the Player of the Series...

Go and see the Stats again without looking through your tinted Australian glasses...:laugh:
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
C'mon mate, David Hoitink (iamdavid) is one of the least biased members on here TBH.

I'm not saying I agree with him - I think Warne and Murali (as ever) in that series traded blow for blow and came-out with great credit each. But he's not one to call Warne's bowling better than Murali's just because he's an Aussie.
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
Murali is bound to get a lot of wickets, he bowls the same amount as two regular bowlers combined. His record against Australia in Australia is very poor and overall is at best average. Yes, he took wickets, but at what cost? Bowling that many overs, conceding those runs and then taking those wickets is no great feat.

And in the series in Sri Lanka Warne was EASILY the better performer. Didn't he win the man of the series also? You saying Murali comfortably outplayed him is so far off that I am not sure you watched the series. Warne was not only better statistically but his input actually swayed the matches.
You are as Thick as they come so its not worth driving anything thru ....but I will try once for whatever its worth ....

Murali is bound to get wickets because of the overs bowled....what kind of Dumb School logic is that...The guy picks Frontline batsmen...and they don't come cheap ...(and against the best batting side at the time)...Warne cleans up a fair number of tailenders and comes up with 5 wicket hauls...and since he was on the winning side was obviously the player of the series...

Go and see the Stats match by Match ...think about it before posting again...

I watched the series (every Test)live....not in front of the sofa as you probably did...:laugh:
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
C'mon mate, David Hoitink (iamdavid) is one of the least biased members on here TBH.

I'm not saying I agree with him - I think Warne and Murali (as ever) in that series traded blow for blow and came-out with great credit each. But he's not one to call Warne's bowling better than Murali's just because he's an Aussie.
Ok, Richard , Fair enough...

But I watched the series in SL ....and the usual rubbish about Tailenders and number of overs gets rolled out without even seeing the actual stats... that is poor you have to say.

The sad Truth, is Warne can tour Sri Lanka without being harassed and play Tests...and come out smelling like Roses...

But Murali can't do the same in Australia without being hounded and dessimated and scarred ...that's the reality these guys need to accept before suggesting Murali has poor record in Australia..
 

JBH001

International Regular
You are as Thick as they come so its not worth driving anything thru ....but I will try once for whatever its worth ....

Murali is bound to get wickets because of the overs bowled....what kind of Dumb School logic is that...The guy picks Frontline batsmen...and they don't come cheap ...(and against the best batting side at the time)...Warne cleans up a fair number of tailenders and comes up with 5 wicket hauls...and since he was on the winning side was obviously the player of the series...

Go and see the Stats match by Match ...think about it before posting again...

I watched the series (every Test)live....not in front of the sofa as you probably did...:laugh:
Go easy on Kazo, Jason. You are never going to convince him where Warne and Murali are concerned, and tbf, there is quite an argument for Warne being better...though as time goes on that argument becomes harder and harder to maintain. But, final comparisons will have to wait until Murali hangs up his boots and calls it quits.

What I did want to question is your judgement re the series against Australia. I think Murali and Warne both took, more or less, equal proportions of wickets in terms of position in the batting order...with Murali, maybe, having a slight but overall insignificant edge. They both mostly took middle and lower order wickets with few top order strikes. I also think you underplay the role Vaas played in that series - he had a couple of good stints with the ball. Further, Warne really did bowl superbly in that series.

Any comparison, if you must make one, would have to made around the fact that Murali was bowling at Australia while Warne was bowling at Sri Lanka.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Let's do this properly: here is Murali's breakdown for his 28 series wickets:
Hayden x3
Lehmann x4
Martyn x3
Katich x2 (the only 2 innings of Katich's in the series)
Symonds x3
Gilchrist x3
Tailenders x10
(I put the good players of spin higher and the lesser ones lower)

And Warne's 26:
Atapattu x1
Jayasuriya x1
Tillakeratne x4
Jayawardene x2
Sangakkara x2
Dilshan x4
Tailenders x12
(All the aforementioned Lankan specialist batsmen being good players of spin)

Form your own conclusions... I don't doubt the different parties will.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
You are as Thick as they come so its not worth
driving anything thru ....but I will try once for whatever its
worth ....

Murali is bound to get wickets because of the overs bowled....what
kind of Dumb School logic is that...The guy picks Frontline
batsmen...and they don't come cheap ...(and against the best batting
side at the time)...Warne cleans up a fair number of tailenders and
comes up with 5 wicket hauls...and since he was on the winning side
was obviously the player of the series...

Go and see the Stats match by Match ...think about it before posting
again...

I watched the series (every Test)live....not in front of the sofa as
you probably did...:laugh:
Hmm, you're being a tool. Even Sir Richard Hadlee said it's the law
of averages for a bowler like him to bowl so many balls to not
eventually take a substantial amount of wickets. Murali is the Hadlee
equivalent in spin-bowling. Just because Murali took 2 more wickets than
Warne does not mean he performed better. In fact, Warne averaged less
and took 6 balls less per wicket to take them. But even that's besides what
actually happened in the game.

As Richard has shown, he only had 2 tailenders more, which given the
strength of his support and his usual coming-in-later when batsmen
have dropped is MORE than understandable.

And LET'S get into this innings by innings analysis because I have a hard
time believing you were at the ground if you actually look at the facts:

1st match: 1st innings

Murali:

- Takes 6 for 59 off 21.3 overs.
- 4 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Murali obliterates the batting line-up with only Lehmann giving an expense at 63.
- Sri Lanka: Murali the best performer easily:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Vaas                        12      2     39      1
Dharmasena                  20      4     52      2
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Muralitharan                21.3    5     59      6[/COLOR][/B]
Chandana                    14      1     59      1
Jayasuriya                   1      0      2      0
Warne:

- Takes 5 for 116 off 42.4 overs.
- 3 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Warne cleans up well with really no expense.
- Australia: Warne with the best performance

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Gillespie                   28      9     61      1
Kasprowicz                  23      3     56      2
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Warne                       42.4    9    116      5 (1nb)[/COLOR][/B]
Symonds                     19      3     68      1
MacGill                     22      4     69      1
Lehmann                      2      0      9      0
1st match: 2nd innings

Murali:

- Takes 5 for 153 off 56 overs.
- 4 Non-Tailenders 1 Tailender.
- Murali gets his wickets but the Aussie line-up had destructed Sri Lanka already with Hayden getting 130, Martyn with 110 and Lehmann with 129.
- Sri Lanka: Murali the best performer:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Vaas                        27      3     67      0 (2nb)
Dharmasena                  24      1    100      0
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Muralitharan                56      9    153      5[/COLOR][/B]
Dilshan                      6      3      9      0
Jayasuriya                  14.3    2     38      1
Chandana                    24.3    2    102      1
Warne:

- Takes 5 for 43 off 15 overs.
- 4 Non-Tailenders 1 Tailender.
- Warne obliterates the Sri Lankan line-up with little to no expense.
- Australia: Warne with the best performance quite easily, although MacGill is in there

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Warne                       15      5     43      5 (1nb)[/COLOR][/B]
Gillespie                    9      2     20      0 (1w)
Kasprowicz                   5      1     13      1
[I]MacGill                     16.2    2     74      4[/I]
2nd match: 1st innings

Murali:

- Takes 4 for 48 off 15 overs.
- 2 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Australia's 'great' lineup crumble with BIG thanks to Zoysa and Vaas.
- Hayden the only expense at 53.
- Sri Lanka: Vaas, Zoysa and Murali all with claim to being best performer

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
[B][COLOR="Orange"][I]Vaas                        11.2    5     14      2
Zoysa                       16      3     54      4
Muralitharan                15      4     48      4[/I][/COLOR][/B]
Warne:

- Takes 5 for 65 off 20.1 overs.
- 3 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Kasper and Dizzy collect the first 4 for 28
- Warne comes in with many wickets gone, wraps up the next 3 cheaply.
- Australia: Warne with the best performance:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Gillespie                   12      4     25      1
Kasprowicz                  24      5     83      4 (2nb)
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Warne                       20.1    3     65      5 (1nb)[/COLOR][/B]
Symonds                      2      1      1      0
MacGill                      5      1     20      0
2nd match: 2nd innings

Murali:

- Takes 5 for 173 off 50.3 overs.
- 3 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- 2 of Murali's Non-Tailenders come at big expense, considering they'd already done their damage, Gilchrist with 144 and Martyn 161.
- Sri Lanka: Vaas with probably the best performance, Murali not far:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Vaas                        33      6    103      3 (1nb)[/COLOR][/B]
[I]Muralitharan                50.3    8    173      5[/I]
Zoysa                       33     11    102      2
Lokuarachchi                12      2     33      0
Jayasuriya                   5      0     16      0
Dilshan                      1      0      6      0
Warne:

- Takes 5 for 90 off 21.1 overs.
- 3 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Australia: Warne with the best figures:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Kasprowicz                  17      1     55      1
Gillespie                   20      1     76      4
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Warne                       21.1    2     90      5[/COLOR][/B]
Symonds                      3      0     16      0
MacGill                     12      0     69      0 (1nb)
3rd match: 1st innings

Murali:

- Takes 5 for 123 off 37.1 overs.
- 3 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Only big Expense is Lehmann with 153.
- Sri Lanka: Murali with the best performance:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Vaas                        26      3     93      3 (1nb)
Zoysa                        3.3    1     23      0
Samaraweera                 14.3    1     38      1 (2nb)
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Muralitharan                37.1    6    123      5[/COLOR][/B]
Herath                      23      5     75      0 (1nb)
Jayasuriya                  11      1     27      1
Warne:

- Takes 2 for 115 off 36 overs.
- 2 Tailenders.
- Australia: Lehmann with the best performance:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Gillespie                   23      3     96      3
Kasprowicz                  22.1    5     58      2 (1nb, 1w)
Williams                    19      5     48      0 (1nb)
Warne                       36      7    115      2
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Lehmann                     19      2     50      3[/COLOR][/B]
Katich                       8      0     29      0
3rd match: 2nd innings

Murali:

- Takes 3 for 93 off 29 overs.
- 3 Non-Tailenders.
- Only Expense is Katich with 86.
- Sri Lanka: Herath with the best performance:

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Vaas                        21      3     61      2
Zoysa                       12      0     54      0 (1nb, 3w)
Muralitharan                29      5     93      3 (2nb)
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Herath                      24.2    1     92      4[/COLOR][/B]
Samaraweera                 15      4     40      0 (3nb, 1w)
Jayasuriya                   4      0     13      0
Dilshan                      1      1      0      0
Warne:

- Takes 4 for 92 off 33 overs.
- 2 Non-Tailenders 2 Tailenders.
- Australia: Lehmann with the best figures, Warne close behind

Code:
Bowling                      O      M      R      W
Gillespie                   18      6     38      1 (1w)
Kasprowicz                  16.4    5     37      2
[I]Warne                       33     11     92      4 (2nb)[/I]
Williams                     5      0     19      0
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Lehmann                     17      2     42      3[/COLOR][/B]
Katich                       4      1     15      0
So as you can see, Warne was the better performer. In his team quite easily and in the series clearly so too. After the 1st test Vaas gets heavily involved and can claim to have had as much influence as Murali. The reason I introduced the 'expense' factor is that, whilst taking wickets - especially Non-Tailender ones - are great, they should reflect when they were taken and at what cost. So any Non-Tailender wicket that cost 50 runs or more got that distinction.

As you can see, Murali took some of those Non-Tailenders but not after they'd already run riot. And that's one very clear difference between the two; Warne didn't take a Non-Tailender wicket that cost the team an 'expense', or any wicket actually. Most were low and at the highest 30s-40s. This is one of the main arguments that goes between the two men, that although Murali's ratios reflect well, they've hadn't had as much impact on the game whilst Warne's impact is infamous enough.
 
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Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
The expense factor is an interesting way to look at things and would have some validity. The above sample is interesting, but it would also be interesting to see a more comprehensive survey before drawing definite conclusions, although obviously its very labour intensive to do no doubt.

My only question is if Warne never dismissed anyone who scored more than 50, unlike Murali, can that not go both ways to an extent, in that Murali remains more dangerous to players who have got on top of the bowling and conditions, whereas Warne sometimes could look somewhat out of answers when somebody really got going. Put it another way - at least Murali DID get the wickets of those who had kicked on, albeit at some cost, whereas Australia had to rely on other bowlers to dislodge those who scored a half century or better. To accurately judge wheter this is the case, the top couple of scorers and who got them out in each innings would be a good addition to the analysis above.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
My only question is if Warne never dismissed anyone who scored more than 50, unlike Murali, can that not go both ways to an extent, in that Murali remains more dangerous to players who have got on top of the bowling and conditions, whereas Warne sometimes could look somewhat out of answers when somebody really got going. Put it another way - at least Murali DID get the wickets of those who had kicked on, albeit at some cost, whereas Australia had to rely on other bowlers to dislodge those who scored a half century or better. To accurately judge wheter this is the case, the top couple of scorers and who got them out in each innings would be a good addition to the analysis above.
Absolutely. As so often, it's silly to try to present a case that one has unequivocally outperformed the other. For every argument there is a counter.
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
I watched that series live in Sri Lanka, considering the strength of Australian batting line up and without much support , Murali single handedly kept Sri Lanka in the game for most of all three Tests until the SL batsmen folded without much fight and lost all three Tests.

Where did you watch it from , in front of your TV screen was it ? Tailender's wickets , my foot. That's Warne who took tailenders in large numbers to get the 26 he did...Go and count again ...

As far as Murali not being threatening....the guy single handedly Kept SL in contention of winning all three Tests till the last day...WTF more do you need for the guy to prove against the batting strength of the Team he was bowling (without much support from other bowlers), while Warne picked up a significant number of SL tailender's to come up with 5 wicket hauls and being on the winning Team got the Player of the Series...

Go and see the Stats again without looking through your tinted Australian glasses...:laugh:

The tailenders bit tbh is not something I remembered, straight from the mouth of Ponting in a recent interview.
But I do recall the series and I got the impression that Murali did not look hugely threatening to the Australian top order (particularly Lehmann who was one of the better players of spin you'll see and Martyn who clearly had a very well thought out gameplan against him), never said he was "not threatening", just that the batsman hardly looked like muppets against him ala Harbhajan in 2001.

And I agree completely with Kaz on the notion that because he bowled so many overs, and due to the inferior quality of other bowlers on his team therefore lesser chance of them sharing the spoils, he took perhaps more wickets than might have been the case, thats the point I was getting at in my original post. He was getting the Australian middle order out, sure, but they were generally not walking to the wicket and being bamboozled straight up, they were coming in, playing him very well and making big contributions then getting out to him eventually because a)He was bowling about half the deliveries they faced b)Nobody else was going to get them out c)He's a very good bowler.
Whereas Warne on the other hand seemed to have the wood on the Sri Lankan batsman to a far greater extent, they did not look comfortable against him at all and he seemed to get far more dismisals early in a batsmans innings as Kaz mentioned. Put that down to Australia's batting being better if you like, but I watched the whole series and thats what I saw, I'm not using this to suggest Warne was a superior bowler to Murali or anything as IMO you can't really split the two, but Warne outbowled him in this series.
 

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