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Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yea I'd have Mustard in as everyone should know by now. I'd have Graeme Swann in for Panesar, who keeps it tight, is a good fielder, good with the bat and has a lot more OD nous and experience than Panesar. So it would basically be:

Cook
Mustard
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Flintoff
Bopara
Swann
Mascarenhas
Broad
Anderson

Swann does often bat as an opener for his county, so there'd be an option of batting him higher if needs be. If Tremlett shows improvement or whatever it's also not a problem for him to come in for Mascarenhas, still have an okay lower order.
 

jammay123

State 12th Man
india have no chance tommorow i reckon their will be a freddie man of the match performance. the indians have no chance!!!
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Haha, its hard to find any huge faults tbh! The only areas where I would be concerned is that i'm still not entirely convinced that Cook has the range of shots or attacking instinct to be a consistent performer at this moment in this form of the game. Also, Prior seems unable to get beyond 30-40, and even then it isn't at the lick we require at the start of the innings. With Mustard dominating county attacks, I really don't see the reasoning for not bringing him in. Its such a shame about the Trescothick situation, because with him and Mustard coming in for Cook and Prior, our one day side could really challenge at the highest level.

Yea this will be an interesting situation soon. Trescothick will definately come back once fit again so unfortunately Cook may have to go whenever that is but not for long since he has proven IMO that he can another Knight for England.

The Mustard/Prior situation is an interesting one, i like the look of Prior at the top even though he hasn't converted just yet, but i won't be surprised if he did get a really big score before this ODI series is over & very disappointed if he doesn't.

Mustard well i would like to see him do it for atleast another season before he is seriously considered, but then again if Prior has any bad trott before this series is out & during winter tours to NZ & SRI, Mustard will be a shoe in.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Yea I'd have Mustard in as everyone should know by now. I'd have Graeme Swann in for Panesar, who keeps it tight, is a good fielder, good with the bat and has a lot more OD nous and experience than Panesar. So it would basically be:

Cook
Mustard
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Flintoff
Bopara
Swann
Mascarenhas
Broad
Anderson

Swann does often bat as an opener for his county, so there'd be an option of batting him higher if needs be. If Tremlett shows improvement or whatever it's also not a problem for him to come in for Mascarenhas, still have an okay lower order.
Word out on Swann would definately pick him in the ODI team now based on what i've seen of him on TV this year. Wasn't too fussy at first given i was backing Panesar to come good, but don't think he has found his feet in ODI's just yet so Swann for now would be a good bet & by 2010 WC both could be key components of England's bowling attack in the sub-continent.
 

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
Yea I'd have Mustard in as everyone should know by now. I'd have Graeme Swann in for Panesar, who keeps it tight, is a good fielder, good with the bat and has a lot more OD nous and experience than Panesar. So it would basically be:

Cook
Mustard
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Flintoff
Bopara
Swann
Mascarenhas
Broad
Anderson

Swann does often bat as an opener for his county, so there'd be an option of batting him higher if needs be. If Tremlett shows improvement or whatever it's also not a problem for him to come in for Mascarenhas, still have an okay lower order.
For which tournament you want this squad>?
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
For which tournament you want this squad>?
ODIs, Twenty20 is different obviously but I'd still have Mustard and Swann in the teams for those too. The thought of Schofield playing for England in the Twenty20 World Cup worries me a lot. I think also that Swann has overtaken Snape.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yea this will be an interesting situation soon. Trescothick will definately come back once fit again so unfortunately Cook may have to go whenever that is but not for long since he has proven IMO that he can another Knight for England.

The Mustard/Prior situation is an interesting one, i like the look of Prior at the top even though he hasn't converted just yet, but i won't be surprised if he did get a really big score before this ODI series is over & very disappointed if he doesn't.

Mustard well i would like to see him do it for atleast another season before he is seriously considered, but then again if Prior has any bad trott before this series is out & during winter tours to NZ & SRI, Mustard will be a shoe in.

Prior's list A/ODI career is just one big bad trot, I would give him more than one season before he could be seriously considered. He's passable as a Twenty20 player but nothing special.

I don't see the point in fannying about and making Mustard wait even longer when him as an option is miles better better than picking a guy who can't even cut it in List A games for Sussex and has already played a good number of ODIs and flopped badly in line with his record for Sussex. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest he'll improve dramatically like he needs to to warrant his place.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Powar, Munaf Patel, RP Singh, Kaarthik, Ganguly - Atrocious

Zaheer and Dhoni - Sub standard

Chawla, Dravid, Tendulkar - Average

Yuvraj - Normally brilliant - on this tour far below his best

This is an international fielding side in a format that lays relatively more emphasis on fielding than anything else.
 

cricfever

Cricket Spectator
Hi Friends,
I think they can bring one more batsman like Utappa instead of playing 5 bowlers,because anyways the bowlers are not of much use.

What do you guys feel???
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
We could actually play

1. Tendulkar
2. Ganguly
3. Dravid
4. Yuvraj
5. Uthappa
6. Karthik
7. Dhoni
8. Gambhir
9. Rohit Sharma
10. Chawla
11. Zaheer

Pile uo 600 runs, open the bowling with Ganguly and Zaheer and use Chawla, Tendulkar and Yuvraj as the other three bowlers. Sure formula for success.

Seriously, India played four bowlers (most agreed it was the thing to do) and got slaughtered. Suddenly everyone seemed to be screaming their heads off on how stupid it was not to have played another bowler.

They played five bowlers bringing in Powar in the next game and won (with some tension towards the end) with Powar playing an important part and everyone told themselves "I told you so".

They continued the same formula and lost inspite of Powar again bowling magnificiently and we are back to play-four-bowlers.

Really.

It would be much better if we looked at things dispassionately without the baggage of prejudice or the doubtful merits of hindsight masquerading as enlightenment.

One day format needs 12 players. Five bowlers, six batsmen and a keeper who can bat. The five bowlers have to be specialists and a sixth bowler (made up of one or more part timers) is still required if a specialist has an off day. Unfortunately the game allows for only eleven players. Hence the need for an allrounder other than the keeper who has already been pencilled in as a batsmen of some merit.

Unfortunately, the allrounder is not a very common commodity. Hence teams lacking genuine all rounders started resorting to so-called buts-and-pieces players to make up not twelve but seven players and four half-of-a-bowler-half-of-a-batsman types. This did nothing except reduce the standards of the game in both batting AND bowling. Teams like England were amongst the foremost in such devaluation of international standards with the Ronnie-Irani-types. Thank God for Flintoff. But we digress.

India has always had a problem with only two world class allrounders in 75 years of international cricket. Pathan offered a ray of hope but that has been temporarily (one hopes) extinguished and we are stuck with one player short.

To make things worse, while for most teams, the last three batsmen add up to at least one whole batsman, for India, by and large, the last three just represent one big hole ! So we are actually two batsmen short. But does that justify playing one less bowler ? Not so sure.

We have a problem which is not going to go away till we have a decent all rounder in the team and our tail understands that while not everyone has to bowl, everyone DOES need to bat sometimes.

But then everyone also has to field and not sometimes but ALL the time and yet these Indian players seem to think fielding skills are optional. Why shouldn't bowlers field the same about rudimentary batting skills the same way.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
What are the chances of India keeping the spinners and dropping Patel?

And on that note, if KP gets out to Chawla again, I reckon he'll be in the side for years to come.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
What are the chances of India keeping the spinners and dropping Patel?

And on that note, if KP gets out to Chawla again, I reckon he'll be in the side for years to come.
If they play for bowlers, they will probably drop Agarkar from the last side.

I think Chawla has a very good future. Its time they sent him to bat above Powar. Powar has a big problem of attitude. As someone, a selector or a former player. said - he doesnt seem to value his place in the side much. I have always been a great supporter of Powar but je seems to be making no extra efforts to be useful to the side in anything besides his bowling when he is known to be very decent bat.

He makes no effort to stick around and whats worse you see no remorse on his face when he throws away his wicket - yet again.

This wont do and if and when he loses his place to Harbhajan he may not get it back in a hurry. But does he really care. Doesnt look like it. Hope I am terribly mistaken.
 

viktor

State Vice-Captain
If they play for bowlers, they will probably drop Agarkar from the last side..
They'll drop him again, inspite of not playing him the last time around?? What grievous wrong has he done!!

I think Chawla has a very good future. Its time they sent him to bat above Powar. Powar has a big problem of attitude. As someone, a selector or a former player. said - he doesnt seem to value his place in the side much. I have always been a great supporter of Powar but je seems to be making no extra efforts to be useful to the side in anything besides his bowling when he is known to be very decent bat.

He makes no effort to stick around and whats worse you see no remorse on his face when he throws away his wicket - yet again.

This wont do and if and when he loses his place to Harbhajan he may not get it back in a hurry. But does he really care. Doesnt look like it. Hope I am terribly mistaken.
Yes, Chawla does seem to be a good bet for the future. As to Powar, his batting has been disappointing. At Bristol he didn't have much choice but in the other two games, he didn't even make an effort to stick around. Bhajji might not be a bad bet, esp with Chawla around, since he offers more to the side. Of course Powar is the superior bowler.
 

biased indian

International Coach
We have to go with 4 bowlers......Drop Munaf take uthappa in make him come at 1 down.

Sachin yuvraj and ganguly should be able to bowl 10 overs for 60 runs..i will take it on any given day if they can do that.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
That is why Sehwag needs to come back in the side. He is the only one amongst the 'part-time' bowlers who can be trusted to bowl his ten overs in most games.

Of course, we have to hope Pathan will be back.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Sehwag may be reliable as a part-time bowler but his batting leaves a lot to be desired. SJS, what do you think of bringing Sehwag back in the lower order (6 or 7)?
 

biased indian

International Coach
with Dhoni and yuvraj already coming low ...i think shewag is best at the front..

if he regains half his form he will be far better than Uthappaand will add one more bowling option
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I am currently strongly of the opinion that Sehwag should revert to the middle order where he started. We do need someone there to shoe up the score in the slog over. Dravid should not be expected to do this job since it is 'alien' to him in a way. Plus while his great starts give a big fillip to the team these are becoming few and far between and his innumerable early dismissals have a cost which more than off sets the advantage his batting at the top offered. And we have great options in Sachin and ganguly with Uthappa in the wings so why should we think of Sehwag only in terms of an opener.

Coming back to Sehwag's bowling.

India started treating him like a regular bowler last summer in the West Indies when he bowled his full quota of ten overs (for a mere 29 runs and a wicket) in the last game of that series.

Surprisingly, India did not bowl him at all in the next two ODI games.

He bowled again against Australia in the DLF Cup and was good enough to bowl out his full quota again. This time for 43 runs and a wicket.

They bowled him only once in the next three games (3 overs for 21 runs) which is amazing I think considering he was bowling so well by then.

Again he was bowled in the ICCTrophy against the West Indies and again he was good enough to bowl his entire quota for a mere 23 runs and a wicket. He bowled off and on from then onwards though he was rarely hammered as many of his colleagues have been.

In 21 games for India since Queens Park in May 2006 till his last game for india in May 2007, Sehwag was bowled on only 11 occasions. He bowled 69 overs in these games and got 7 wickets at 42.7 each. More importantly he went for only 4.33 runs an over.

Here is how India's other bowlers fared during the same period. I have excluded Piyush Chawla since he played just one game and got 3 for 37.

MAIN BOWLERS
- Powar : 4.29 (48 overs)
- Harbhajan 4.32 (177)
- Sehwag : 4.33 (69)
- Munaf : 4.34 (145.1)
- Kumble : 4.60 (63.1)
- Zaheer : 4.86 (125.1)
- Agarkar : 4.93 (164)
- Sreesanth : 5.73 (82.2)
- RP Singh : 5.94 (29.1)
- Pathan : 6.09 (54)

PART TIME BOWLERS
- Tendulkar : 4.81 (68)
- Yuvraj : 5.00 (17.4)
- Mongia : 5.02 (40)
- Ganguly 5.42 (12)

Clearly Sehwag is as good as our front ranked bowlers when it comes to keeping the runs down. By the way his 69 overs bowled may appear quite a few by lookingat those of others butremember he played 21 games (almost all the games in this period ) and for him to bowl just about 3 overs per game with this type of results is ridiculous and shows the lack of lateral thinking by the management.
 
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biased indian

International Coach
- Sehwag : 4.33 (69)
- Tendulkar : 4.81 (68)

i would like to see wht is the performance of these two in the games where india lost !!!!!
 

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