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***Official** West Indies in England***

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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Neil Pickup said:
That's the New Aggressive England, then? Same limp capitulation, more like...
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Yeah, because it's really easy to be aggressive when the ball is moving out and the two bowlers (Rampaul and Powell) were bowling exceptionaly...Edwards did bowl pretty well at the end too y'know.
 
gettingbetter

gettingbetter

State Vice-Captain
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Yeah, because it's really easy to be aggressive when the ball is moving out and the two bowlers (Rampaul and Powell) were bowling exceptionaly...Edwards did bowl pretty well at the end too y'know
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You make it sound as if they have in recent types been decent.
 
Neil Pickup

Neil Pickup

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Pup Clarke said:
Yeah, because it's really easy to be aggressive when the ball is moving out and the two bowlers (Rampaul and Powell) were bowling exceptionaly...Edwards did bowl pretty well at the end too y'know.
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That's not what I meant.

Everything we've seen wrong with English one-day cricket for, oh, the last eleven years was available for all to see there today. Granted, there was something in the conditions for the quicker bowlers - so maybe a more cautious start was in order: so why pick a pinch-hitter to play like a proper batsman? If you are going to pick Prior at the top of the order and then ask him to play the role of a traditional opener then you will get neither the durability and likelihood of building an innings that a genuine number one/two can offer, nor Prior's strokeplaying capacities.

Then we get the middle overs: Bell doing what he's always done and showing exactly why Warwickshire didn't pick him for the FP Trophy semi finals. Using up balls, never once starting to take the initiative away from the West Indies, happily playing into Gayle's game plan and then running himself out. You would have thought that someone with his experience could competently run between the wickets - but seemingly every comedy run out that we suffer is directly or indirectly his fault. We had fourteen overs without a boundary from 30 to 44: Gayle set his stall out and we never once challenged the West Indies to think of a Plan B.

Once we were four down with next to no overs remaining, and with Edwards bowling well (not brilliantly, well) at the death, Collingwood was on a hiding to nothing - though with the ineptitude of seven downwards to consider, I don't think that playing that shot at that moment was the right decision. It seems indicative of our confused thinking in one-dayers at the moment that we pick utterly the wrong moment to go for a shot (the same accusation could possibly be levelled at Pietersen as well - you'd tried that the ball before, and it didn't work then, wait for it: and perhaps take on someone like Marlon Samuels rather than letting him get through four innocuously tidy overs).

Mascarenhas was in a position where he then had to look to go for it, and Edwards was simply too quick for him. The same applies to Plunkett, who in fairness has usually done a job with the bat from 8 for England recently, but Stuart Broad was embarrassing. If you get done for pace, and line, and movement, and look completely out of your depth, you do not attempt to have words with the bowler. It makes you look foolish and immature. This effect is then further exacerbated when you back away several steps to the next ball and then poke your bat tamely towards it. If you're going to go in for a bit of verbals, back it up with some action. That looked like a spoiled schoolboy unable to cope with the fact that things weren't going all his own way.

Credit to Owais Shah, though - I've been critical of him before - he seems a nervy starter and I've not seen him make runs for England before. Today, I thought he showed a really good temperament today to hang on to the strike where he could and pick shots - both singles and boundaries - that were appropriate to both the match situation and the deliveries. It's a shame that he got run out as it will affect his average and people will keep using that as a stick to beat him with. 225 feels significantly under par and we're going to have to bowl very well - and Broad, Anderson and Plunkett will have to make sure they don't serve up four-ball on four-ball - to defend this.
 
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Bob Bamber

U19 12th Man
The West Indies bowled very well , but England looked like the same lack lusture as they always did. Prior doesn't look like an opener , and doesn't seem to know how to adapt to the new ball. The England middle order didn't do anything of note. Same old same old.

"If you do what you did , you'll get what you got" , to quote Peter Moores.

Well we did what we always did , and got what we always got.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
What is the point of the rest of the WI batsman!

Bravo and Chanders out there batting again :confused:
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Bob Bamber said:
Does anyone think that Marlon Samules chucked the delievery that got Collingwood. Just a thought
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Woodster said:
He did look to bend his arm more excessively than normal to get that extra pace. Yes I noticed that too.
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Outrageous action for his quicker ball. Looks an absolutely blatant throw to me. Should be reported.

Manee said:
It was another good tight game, West Indies fielding has come along and Powell was bowling tremendously yesterday. One thing concerned me, how was Samuels able to bowl a 78 mph quicker ball and repeat the fwat a mere over later?
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See above. He chucks it.

Bravo went as I was typing. Decent nut from Broad, held its line. Ooops and another, nips back thru the gate to clean up Ramdin. Let's see us lose it from here...
 
sohummisra

sohummisra

U19 Debutant
Not that I'm watching the game, but perhaps a little more credit can be given to the English batsmen? Not sure how they would perform against a quality line-up, though.
 
The_Bunny

The_Bunny

State Regular
sohummisra said:
Not that I'm watching the game, but perhaps a little more credit can be given to the English batsmen? Not sure how they would perform against a quality line-up, though.
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The Windies bowling was very good I thought.....

All the same England should probably have got more from 96 for 1
 
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