Group C - New Zealand, England, Kenya, Canada

[Richard]

I've never heard anyone say that.

I heard a good few people - and many other things about bowlers that turned-out to be untrue relating to pace.

 

[Richard]

Oh my god that was a bad shot.

And McMillan does indeed come in at five.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Fleming is so good to watch. Beautiful drive.

And also an absolute idiot. The last thing he should have done, under the circumstances.

 

[Natman20]

This is quite sad really. Our top order hardly ever gets off to a good start. No peter Fulton so its a pretty dire situation for NZ really.

 

[Bahnz]

Anyone else feel the Kiwi's have gotten to used to chasing 300?

 

[Fiery]

Interesting to see what McMillan's approach will be here...whether he'll be typically belligerent and try to hit us out of trouble and either succeed or get out, or put his head down. I'm thinking the former.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I heard a good few people - and many other things about bowlers that turned-out to be untrue relating to pace.

Pollock was express when he first arrived on the scene...

Obviously it's impossible to determine exact pace with the naked eye, but you can easily determine a 90mph bowler from an 80mph one, even on TV.

 

[Richard]

And also an absolute idiot. The last thing he should have done, under the circumstances.

Wouldn't have been if it'd flown into the stands, though.

 

[Richard]

Pollock was express when he first arrived on the scene...

But people continued to think he was after 1997, when he lost a good 10mph in pace. In 1998, people still thought he was as quick as Donald - until it was found he was 10mph slower.

Obviously it's impossible to determine exact pace with the naked eye, but you can easily determine a 90mph bowler from an 80mph one, even on TV.

But less so when it's 70 to 60.

 

[Richard]

Anyone else feel the Kiwi's have gotten to used to chasing 300?

Well Taylor chased one many would have chased, Vincent got a good-'un and Fleming - maybe.

 

[Richard]

Interesting to see what McMillan's approach will be here...whether he'll be typically belligerent and try to hit us out of trouble and either succeed or get out, or put his head down. I'm thinking the former.

To date looks like you're right.

 

[Fiery]

I heard a good few people - and many other things about bowlers that turned-out to be untrue relating to pace.

Listen Richard...GAVIN LARSEN WAS SLOW. End of story.
(Now you're just being argumentative)

 

[Bahnz]

Well Taylor chased one many would have chased, Vincent got a good-'un and Fleming - maybe.

It's not so much that Taylor chased it, but that he chased on his first ball, while it was still swinging.

 

[Richard]

Listen Richard...HE WAS SLOW. End of story.
(Now you're just being argumentative)

I'm being what I am.

I don't believe he was slow just because someone says he was. All sorts of people misjudge speeds of bowlers all the time - the human eye is not a good instrument to judge stuff like that.

 

[Richard]

It's not so much that Taylor chased it, but that he chased on his first ball, while it was still swinging.

He's always struck me as the sort who plays shots regardless.

And Vaughan sees sense and brings on Flintoff - will the Kiwis see sense and block him?

 

[Bahnz]

Vaughan obviously wants to kill off this match as soon as possible. Sensible enough, I can't see them winning unless they bowl the kiwis out.

 

[Richard]

Looks like McMillan has elected to keep playing stupid strokes...

 

[Bahnz]

He's always struck me as the sort who plays shots regardless.

I don't know, a lot of Taylor's best innings in his short career have been based on a slow start. I think in his first hundred against Sri Lanka, he had only 2 after about 20 balls.

 

[Richard]

This innings is such a classic example of how taking wickets does not automatically slow the rate. Wayward bowling will go.

 

[Fiery]

I'm being what I am.

I don't believe he was slow just because someone says he was. All sorts of people misjudge speeds of bowlers all the time - the human eye is not a good instrument to judge stuff like that.

Richard, honestly, when you get in this mode it really is quite silly. If you're not prepared take someone who watched his entire career's word for it then I can't see the point in continuing the argument.
(That doesn't mean you've won the argument btw, it just means I'm bored with your stubbornness)