Saqlain Mushtaq, The most under-rated ODI bowler ever?

[rodzilla1010]

Average, SR, wicket-hauls, none relevant.

Murali's economy-rate is far superior to Saqlain's, hence Murali is much the better bowler.

wow I dont believe what i just read

A better avg of 2.5 runs per wicket, a better strike rate of 6 balls per wicket and a 4wkt hual/match almost twice as good doesnt matter, because murli has econ of 3.84 to saq's 4.29

WOW. i cant argue anymore

 

[Richard]

3.84 is magnificent.

4.29 is no more than good.

Any difference in average, therefore, doesn't really matter - not that there's much in the difference between Saqlain's and Murali's.

 

[rodzilla1010]

3.84 is magnificent.

4.29 is no more than good.

Any difference in average, therefore, doesn't really matter - not that there's much in the difference between Saqlain's and Murali's.

this has to be the most ridculous statment i ve ever heard

A difference in avg of 2 runs per wicket is irrelevent
A difference in SR of 6 balls per wicket is irreleven

But an econ difference of .45 is the most relevent thing. I am jusr over-whelmed here...so

Is afridi the best ODI batsman ever, his strike rate is way better than any other batsman in ODI cricket.?

 

[silentstriker]

Average, SR, wicket-hauls, none relevant.

Murali's economy-rate is far superior to Saqlain's, hence Murali is much the better bowler.

Um, any captain in the world would take an ER of 6 with an average of 20, rather than an ER of 2 and an average of 60.

 

[rodzilla1010]

i am new here but a guy who has posted 25000 post should know better than saying that average and strike rate are irrelevent when compared to econ.

I dont know if i should continue arguing or wait for somone else to defend murli

 

[Ikki]

i am new here but a guy who has posted 25000 post should know better than saying that average and strike rate are irrelevent when compared to econ.

I dont know if i should continue arguing or wait for somone else to defend murli

It's Richard, you'll get used to him making those kind of statements...and then actually trying to defend them .

I agree with the point you're making in the thread though.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Saqlain might have better Stats, but basing an argument on Stats alone isn't proof enough tbh.

 

[Ikki]

Saqlain might have better Stats, but basing an argument on Stats alone isn't proof enough tbh.

What's funny is that people who argue for Murali in other cases seem to make stats the central point. Now it's negligible?

But I do agree with you, stats aren't enough.

 

[PhoenixFire]

What's funny is that people who argue for Murali in other cases seem to make stats the central point. Now it's negligible?

But I do agree with you, stats aren't enough.

I've never argued for Murali

 

[rodzilla1010]

Saqlain might have better Stats, but basing an argument on Stats alone isn't proof enough tbh.

Saqlain was a class act. HE was a match winner, like i said he didnt get lucky , he earned those numbers.

he avgs 15 when Pak wins, compared to 19 when SL win for Murli. Much more effective in winning games for its country. Saqlain avgs 18.55 when Pak won a series , Murli avgs 21.43

People say SL without Murli is crap, but look Saqlain had a larger effect on pakistan when they won

 

[PhoenixFire]

I don't get why people keep stating the facts about when Mr X plays, they are more likely to win. If he bowls well, he bowls well, regardless of whether Pakistan win or not.

 

[rodzilla1010]

I don't get why people keep stating the facts about when Mr X plays, they are more likely to win. If he bowls well, he bowls well, regardless of whether Pakistan win or not.

it shows how much the chances of his team winning improves every time he bowls well. With teams like zimbabwe this stat might not be accurate but teams like SL or PAk or SA, it does what its suppose to

 

[PhoenixFire]

it shows how much the chances of his team winning improves every time he bowls well

I gathered........

 

[rodzilla1010]

I gathered........

i know where you are coming from, but it is hard for me to influence one's opinion if you disregard Strike rate and Average...

I mean Saqlain can get lucky about getting one thing right but besides econ, you can pick up any stat and sq looks better than murli..compare his performance to top teams like Aus...look at his stats away and home....

Even if you ignore the number, the fact that he bowled at death shows that he wasnt a avg joe..he was a talented bowler and a perfect spinner to have in the ODI version. Better than Murli

 

[PhoenixFire]

I'm not denying the fact that he's an excellent bowler in ODIs, nor that his Stats are magnificent for a spinner, just saying that you can't focus 100% on Stats when you argue about him.

 

[rodzilla1010]

I'm not denying the fact that he's an excellent bowler in ODIs, nor that his Stats are magnificent for a spinner, just saying that you can't focus 100% on Stats when you argue about him.

agreed, its a stupid argument anyway.
But what ticks me off the most that no one gives a worthy mention of saqlain when talking about All time ODI greats. I dont mind when people put Murli in the actual all time XI but atelast say that he barely edged saqlain for that spor.

If not the best he is easily the second best

 

[thierry henry]

The Multan test. And his "teesra" being walloped as much as his "pehla" and "doosra".

Exactly. 1 match. Imagine if Warne or Murali were dropped after one bad match (and I recall them both having plenty, of course). And you're not even talking about the right form of the game! Seriously, an average of 32 over his last 20 games, taking his career average from, what, 20 to 22 or something like that? That's nothing, Warne and Murali have had spells like that, Daniel Vettori would consider it a golden run

 

[rodzilla1010]

Exactly. 1 match. Imagine if Warne or Murali were dropped after one bad match (and I recall them both having plenty, of course). And you're not even talking about the right form of the game! Seriously, an average of 32 over his last 20 games, taking his career average from, what, 20 to 22 or something like that? That's nothing, Warne and Murali have had spells like that, Daniel Vettori would consider it a golden run

remember murli going for 90 odd runs against Australia

 

[C_C]

Average, SR, wicket-hauls, none relevant.

Murali's economy-rate is far superior to Saqlain's, hence Murali is much the better bowler.

Wait a min, you agreed in the other thread that economy-rate is NOT the only thing.

 

[Richard]

Um, any captain in the world would take an ER of 6 with an average of 20, rather than an ER of 2 and an average of 60.

Every captain in The World would be insane, then.

6-an-over!!!!!!!!!!! That's a-run-a-ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No bowler has ever lasted 5 minutes with that sort of economy-rate!!!!!!!!!! (Except Henry Olonga, obviously)