Males banned from watching the women world cup qualifiers in Pakistan

[Sanz]

I hate all religions, Islam more so than others, for things like this.

I don't paticulary care if 90% of Pakistan agrees with it, because i'm not saying they should do differently as it's there country and their outdated religion.

I think it's pathetic, i think it's ***ism, and i think it's wrong.

Do you understand that It is the subcontinent culture and it doesn't have much to do with the religion. I am not a Muslim by faith but If my sister were to play cricket I would have no objection to such a ruling.

It may be ***ism to some extent, but in a society/culture where a lot of men dont know how to behave, it does seem appropriate at times.

 

[adharcric]

I some what agree with this statement . Honestly speaking , this is the reality ... It's not like the cases in Afghanistan or remote areas of Pakistan where Women are treated as hens or goats or some thing . It sure is the case of behaviour . In my family women are on top of every thing . WHen I was a kid I never had a permission to hit any sister and it was like a shottable act in my family . And my stupid sisters had all the right to humiliate me , kick me , hit me and chop my face with nails but I was not allowed to even swear at them... Jeez . May be women are given so much of an extra respect and men are not and this might be the case . Honestly speaking in any decent atmosphere women are on top of men in decision making , home making , fashion etc etc ..........

Seriously ...

 

[adharcric]

Now I have utmost respect for Islam and Pakistan and I hope I'm not offending anyone, but my question is (and perhaps someone can answer this), is this law representative of the culture on the ground in Pakistan or is it just a case of the few ruling the many?


dude, I think 90% of the pakistanis would be happy with this ruling, i would feel better about sending my sister or wife to a cricket match thinking that no group of fun seekers will be there to bother them.

That's not even the issue. The PCB's decision was acceptable in the context. The issue is that the context is ****ed up.

 

[silentstriker]

Do you understand that It is the subcontinent culture and it doesn't have much to do with the religion. I am not a Muslim by faith but If my sister were to play cricket I would have no objection to such a ruling.

It may be ***ism to some extent, but in a society/culture where a lot of men dont know how to behave, it does seem appropriate at times.

Eh? If my sister were playing, I'd want everyone to see her play. It's a point of pride for me as well, let alone her deserving to play in front of everyone who wants to see it. Plus, she's a lot more athletic than I am as well, and surely better to look at.

 

[adharcric]

Not that I agree with this decision but let's be realistic, there exists no such group of guys (at least in the subcontinet) who are genuinely interested in watching women play cricket.

 

[adharcric]

Actually, there is some validity in the point that Sanz made. The men in the subcontinent - well, in India so definitely in Pakistan too - are not always very civilized when it comes to controlling their perverted instincts. Generally lower levels of education (among the masses) may be a reason for this. The problem here is that Pakistan has another (primary IMO) reason for this situation.

EDIT: I'm sorry but this would not happen in India.

 

[silentstriker]

Actually, there is some validity in the point that Sanz made. The men in the subcontinent - well, in India so definitely in Pakistan too - are not always very civilized when it comes to controlling their perverted instincts. The problem here is that Pakistan has another (primary IMO) reason for this situation.

Irrelevant. People are responsible for their own actions. If a group of men go and start misbehaving, you throw them out, just as you throw them out in a normal cricket match.

You're using the same logic that people used to bar groups of people from doing things (they can't be trusted, they can't control themselves, etc). The logic falls apart.

And I don't really get what you mean by 'controlling their perverted instincts.' Provided there is enough security, the worst they'd have to endure would be catcalls and insults....which is no big deal.

 

[Langeveldt]

Actually, there is some validity in the point that Sanz made. The men in the subcontinent - well, in India so definitely in Pakistan too - are not always very civilized when it comes to controlling their perverted instincts. Generally lower levels of education (among the masses) may be a reason for this. The problem here is that Pakistan has another (primary IMO) reason for this situation.

EDIT: I'm sorry but this would not happen in India.

I remember my girlfriend went to Egypt and some bloke asked me if I would sell her in exchange for seven camels..

Ridiculous, I mean, fifteen camels, and we may have been talking...

 

[rodzilla1010]

Originally Posted by Sanz
Do you understand that It is the subcontinent culture and it doesn't have much to do with the religion. I am not a Muslim by faith but If my sister were to play cricket I would have no objection to such a ruling.

It may be ***ism to some extent, but in a society/culture where a lot of men dont know how to behave, it does seem appropriate at times.

Eh? If my sister were playing, I'd want everyone to see her play. It's a point of pride for me as well, let alone her deserving to play in front of everyone who wants to see it. Plus, she's a lot more athletic than I am as well, and surely better to look at.


Very valid point here, here lies the differences. In western socities if you see a guy dating your sister or even if you know that she has a ***ual relationship with another man, you will be ok with it.
In Pakistan we treat women as a symbol of honor. And we do nt tolerate that our sisters or mothers have relationships with other men. It all roots from there. If i se my sister talking to a guy after a cricket match or if i see a group of guys whistling when my sister is batting i ll probably go around and pull thier tongue of out thier mouth.

And its in our religon, to portect the honor of our women, free ***ual society is not acceptable.

As far as that guy who was talking crap about Islam-Please bro, you can display your ignorance and prejudice is a more polite way and somone might be able to help you too is they know that you dont company your dead brain with a bad mouth.

 

[rodzilla1010]

its funny how all the people who are from the sub-co now living in the west just desert thier culture and religon.
I would have to spend atleast a few hours with you people to cummunicate how Islam works, how everything would come thogther automatically. It snot just a religon, its a philosphy, a social framework on which cicvilsed peple can live.

Not just Islam, every religon' core is a socio-economic framework. Which is hard to follow, because we dont have the control over ourselves to put a stop on our desires. Be it ***,alchohol, how to treat our elders, educating ourseleves, giving the right share of our fortune back to he society,not to cheat despite having no regulations of punishment..etc

a world without religon will be chaos

 

[Langeveldt]

As far as that guy who was talking crap about Islam-Please bro, you can display your ignorance and prejudice is a more polite way and somone might be able to help you too is they know that you dont company your dead brain with a bad mouth.

Early doors, and he's already nailing his colours to the mast

 

[Langeveldt]

a world without religon will be chaos

As opposed to, this peaceful, tolerant world we currently live in?

 

[rodzilla1010]

thats because we have a mojority of people dont follow it or dont interpret it right

 

[silentstriker]

Eh? If my sister were playing, I'd want everyone to see her play. It's a point of pride for me as well, let alone her deserving to play in front of everyone who wants to see it. Plus, she's a lot more athletic than I am as well, and surely better to look at.

People are responsible for their own actions. If a group of men go and start misbehaving, you throw them out, just as you throw them out in a normal cricket match.

You're using the same logic that people used to bar groups of people from doing things (they can't be trusted, they can't control themselves, etc). The logic falls apart.

And I don't really get what you mean by 'controlling their perverted instincts.' Provided there is enough security, the worst they'd have to endure would be catcalls and insults....which is no big deal.

Very valid point here, here lies the differences. In western socities if you see a guy dating your sister or even if you know that she has a ***ual relationship with another man, you will be ok with it.
In Pakistan we treat women as a symbol of honor. And we do nt tolerate that our sisters or mothers have relationships with other men. It all roots from there. If i se my sister talking to a guy after a cricket match or if i see a group of guys whistling when my sister is batting i ll probably go around and pull thier tongue of out thier mouth.

But you already have women in Pakistan playing cricket. So presumably, they don't care if people watch them play. I also assume that their families are behind the women, and even if they are not, the women are adults who can make their own choices.

And as far as I am aware, it is not illegal to talk to women in Pakistan or for them to play cricket. With both of those factors being true, it is irrelevant how you think your sister should act. The women who are playing, and their families, have already made their decision to play the game and you should either appreciate them or leave them the hell alone.

Anything else is idiotic and frankly, none of your business.

 

[adharcric]

the worst they'd have to endure would be catcalls and insults....which is no big deal.

Actually, it is. Have you even lived in the subcontinent?

 

[silentstriker]

PS. If I see a bunch of guys whisteling while my sister is batting, I'd let them know I'm the brother and maybe I'd get a free beer out of it tbh.

 

[adharcric]

Done with this thread.

 

[silentstriker]

Actually, it is. Have you even lived in the subcontinent?

Yes. But the women who are playing have made that choice, and guys playing have to endure cussing and idiotic fans all the time. It's part of playing in front of people.

 

[silentstriker]

But you already have women in Pakistan playing cricket. So presumably, they don't care if people watch them play. I also assume that their families are behind the women, and even if they are not, the women are adults who can make their own choices.

And as far as I am aware, it is not illegal to talk to women in Pakistan or for them to play cricket. With both of those factors being true, it is irrelevant how you think your sister should act. The women who are playing, and their families, have already made their decision to play the game and you should either appreciate them or leave them the hell alone.

Anything else is idiotic and frankly, none of your business.

Also, I want to add: instead of punishing women and men who came to enjoy the cricket, why not just add security and remove any unwanted spectators? This heavy handed business just seems like a way to punish all the wrong people.

 

[adharcric]

Yes. But the women who are playing have made that choice, and guys playing have to endure cussing and idiotic fans all the time. It's part of playing in front of people.

SS, I'm not defending the act of banning men from these games. I'm just giving you one reason for it (bar Islam) - a reason that is stupid but understandable in the circumstances.