The England Thread

[Richard]

Where as that is adding so much value to our forum?

It's pointing-out that his ignore-list grows and grows... on utterly banal grounds.

 

[PhoenixFire]

I can see Bopara becoming a Walcott sort of figure, only getting 1 or 2 games, pretty stupid selection imo, should have gone with more expirienced candidate.

 

[Goughy]

If I cared about ODIs this selection would make me angry.

Loye completely changed the demenour of Englands innings and prevented the oppostition dominating and putting their stamp on Englands batting. As had been the case for the past few years.

He threw a wild card into the equation. Now we can happily look forward to being 50-3 after 15 overs.

Pathetic.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I can see the logic. With Vaughan and Strauss and Joyce we have three openers already; with Michael fit then Loye was never going to play anyway. Bopara gives cover for the middle-order all-rounder in Collingwood and Dalrymple - and we managed a win Loyeless in the CBS anyway.

 

[Scaly piscine]

If I cared about ODIs this selection would make me angry.

Loye completely changed the demenour of Englands innings and prevented the oppostition dominating and putting their stamp on Englands batting. As had been the case for the past few years.

He threw a wild card into the equation. Now we can happily look forward to being 50-3 after 15 overs.

Pathetic.

Eh? Loye did about as much as an opener as Geraint or Prior did - they were probably both better as a keeper than Loye is fielder as well. That should tell you something.

Unorthodoxy doesn't excuse him from being rubbish.

 

[Goughy]

I can see the logic. With Vaughan and Strauss and Joyce we have three openers already; with Michael fit then Loye was never going to play anyway. Bopara gives cover for the middle-order all-rounder in Collingwood and Dalrymple - and we managed a win Loyeless in the CBS anyway.

Well as both Strauss and Joyce have batted in the middle order in the CBS, I dont see why a guy with 1 ODI (great forward planning) makes it into the squad.

Loye should be there

 

[Goughy]

Eh? Loye did about as much as an opener as Geraint or Prior did - they were probably both better as a keeper than Loye is fielder as well. That should tell you something.

Unorthodoxy doesn't excuse him from being rubbish.

You would need to understand how mindsets work to appreciate it. Every game he didnt play, the opposition knew they would be facing a very placid early inning from England.

It allowed them to settle, find a rhythm and dominate. England have recently been by far the slowest out of the blocks and it has left them in real trouble. Probably the biggest reason (along with lack of batting depth and poor bowling economy) why they have been such a poor ODI team recently.

Loye completely changes the demeanor and attitude of the England innings and stopped the opposition having it all there own way. This affects the wholw innings and team.

Even without scoring lots of runs he stops England being the opponents bitches and dominated.

Its obviously preferable to score lots of runs but he made a huge difference for th above reasons and broke the opponents lengths up which also benefited his teammates.

 

[Richard]

I can see the logic. With Vaughan and Strauss and Joyce we have three openers already; with Michael fit then Loye was never going to play anyway. Bopara gives cover for the middle-order all-rounder in Collingwood and Dalrymple - and we managed a win Loyeless in the CBS anyway.

Despite Vaughan's opening credentials being thoroughly dubious and Joyce having never been an opener in his 28-year-old life?

 

[Scaly piscine]

You would need to understand how mindsets work to appreciate it. Every game he didnt play, the opposition knew they would be facing a very placid early inning from England.

It allowed them to settle, find a rhythm and dominate. England have recently been by far the slowest out of the blocks and it has left them in real trouble. Probably the biggest reason (along with lack of batting depth and poor bowling economy) why they have been such a poor ODI team recently.

Loye completely changes the demeanor and attitude of the England innings and stopped the opposition having it all there own way. This affects the wholw innings and team.

Even without scoring lots of runs he stops England being the opponents bitches and dominated.

Its obviously preferable to score lots of runs but he made a huge difference for th above reasons and broke the opponents lengths up which also benefited his teammates.

The biggest problem recently was they produce shockingly bad batting displays. He does nothing whatsoever to stop that happening - England improved because Collingwood scored a hatful of runs and some of the others hung around and did the basics first before trying anything fancy.

 

[Goughy]

Despite Vaughan's opening credentials being thoroughly dubious and Joyce having never been an opener in his 28-year-old life?

Being generous aren't you Richard

That could be expanded to Vaughan's ODI credentials

 

[BoyBrumby]

I suppose Bopara for Loye is the only real surprise.

I think it's a case of the selectors pulling rank on Big Dunc, personally. As he was sent in @ 8 (below Nixon!) in his only game thus far I think it's safe to assume Fletch not yet a fully paid up fan of young Ravi.

Loye has been fairly hit-&-miss, but he has played all his ODIs against two of the better outfits out there. Our openers (joyce & Strauss when Mick's knee and/or hamstring heads south again) aren't exactly going to put the fear of god into any bowling attack, are they? If Nixon's been deemed a success (& as he's in the squad we must assume he has) Malachy can consider himself maybe a tad unlucky.

 

[Richard]

Being generous aren't you Richard

That could be expanded to Vaughan's ODI credentials

I didn't... quite... get that-'un.

 

[Richard]

I suppose Bopara for Loye is the only real surprise.

I think it's a case of the selectors pulling rank on Big Dunc, personally. As he was sent in @ 8 (below Nixon!) in his only game thus far I think it's safe to assume Fletch not yet a fully paid up fan of young Ravi.

Well - are you?

And I personally can see Bopara's selection being almost as baffling as Hoggard's and Harmison's last time around.

 

[Goughy]

I didn't... quite... get that-'un.

Er..ok. No worries

Ill explain. You questioned Vaughan's opening credentials. I merely suggested, why limit it to questioning a small part of his game,? Why not expand it to criticising him as an ODI player as a whole. We all know that his ODI career (and domestic List A) has been poor, so why limit the criticism just to opening?

Its not really a big deal

 

[BoyBrumby]

Well - are you?

And I personally can see Bopara's selection being almost as baffling as Hoggard's and Harmison's last time around.

He's a young cricketer with potential, but he wouldn't have made my XV. Loye would've gone.

Ravi ticks a lot of the boxes the England management look for: good in the field, greased lightening between the wickets (too quick for Dalrymple the other day) & multi-dimensional. In his favour he performed fairly nervelessly when he got his chance & picked up Hussey as a bonus.

 

[Richard]

Er..ok. No worries

Ill explain. You questioned Vaughan's opening credentials. I merely suggested, why limit it to questioning a small part of his game,? Why not expand it to criticising him as an ODI player as a whole. We all know that his ODI career (and domestic List A) has been poor, so why limit the criticism just to opening?

Its not really a big deal

Aha...

Vaughan's poor at one-day cricket, obviously, simple-as, but that post was merely referring to the opening options.

I might have done well to add "not opening is hardly likely to help Vaughan either", true.

EDIT: I really don't know why on Earth I didn't get it, it wasn't exactly complicated now I've re-read it.

 

[Richard]

He's a young cricketer with potential, but he wouldn't have made my XV. Loye would've gone.

Ravi ticks a lot of the boxes the England management look for: good in the field, greased lightening between the wickets (too quick for Dalrymple the other day) & multi-dimensional. In his favour he performed fairly nervelessly when he got his chance & picked up Hussey as a bonus.

Performed fairly nervelessly for all of his 5 deliveries...

I'm very far from convinced his selection was a good one, for either the CB Series or the WC. Has one hell of a lot of potential (as a batsman - one of the most overrated seamers I've ever seen) but is far from the finished-article.

Added to there being other contenders with better cases, obviously.

 

[Prince EWS]

Performed fairly nervelessly for all of his 5 deliveries...

I'm very far from convinced his selection was a good one, for either the CB Series or the WC. Has one hell of a lot of potential (as a batsman - one of the most overrated seamers I've ever seen) but is far from the finished-article.

Added to there being other contenders with better cases, obviously.

Yeah, I read an article about him where he claimed he hoped to one day be as good a bowler as Paul Collingwood. So his bowling obviously isn't too flash right now...

 

[BoyBrumby]

Performed fairly nervelessly for all of his 5 deliveries...

I'm very far from convinced his selection was a good one, for either the CB Series or the WC. Has one hell of a lot of potential (as a batsman - one of the most overrated seamers I've ever seen) but is far from the finished-article.

Added to there being other contenders with better cases, obviously.

Bowled 4 overs, didn't he?

 

[grecian]

Seems a little silly discussing this squad, because with our injury problems recently, we'll no doubt have about 5 different people out in the West Indies.

Vaughn (knees), Freddie(weight of expectation), Anderson (he is a crock), Nixon (arthritis) and Mahmood (sense of shame), all missing out for mine.

I really do think Broad and Loye will play a part.