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[Laurrz]

yep, Hilfy adds more variety to the attack ..

Tait and Lee...no thanks

 

[pup11]

Ok princey i take my statement back. As for tait excellent selection i think he is one bowler in the country who can be equally lethal with the older ball, as with the new ball because of his ability to reverse swing them at great pace. Tait could be really usefull on dead tracks in west indies . Hilfy is not suited for west indian conditions, but he is also a exciting prospect.

 

[Laurrz]

been hearing a lot about slow low tracks in Windies...really hope thats not the case

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

yep, Hilfy adds more variety to the attack ..

Tait and Lee...no thanks

What I meant was actually that neither Hilfenhaus or Tait are going to displace Lee, Bracken, McGrath, Johnson or Clark any time between now and the World Cup. Both Hilfenhaus and Tait are fine bowlers with plenty of potential, but at this point in time there's simply no place for them in the squad.

If they decide to take a 6th seamer to the WC (in place of Hogg, I suppose), I'd imagine Hilfenhaus would get the nod, though in reality I think Tait adds more variety because of his pace and his quality death bowling. Not sure if Hilfenhaus is much of a death bowler. Either way, netiher of them are going to get that many games.

 

[pup11]

Laurrz mate not been watching to much of cricket played in west indies i guess. The wickets is india are quicker compared to west indian tracks at the moment.

 

[pup11]

Don't be so sure about clark, the way he has been bowling in odi games he could easily play the part of the carrying drinks to the ground in the world cup.

 

[vic_orthdox]

If Clark continues to sit out most games in the series, then he'll be safe for the World Cup. He's the one guy who could bowl himself out of the 15 between now and then.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Clark needs to bring a lot a good variations to his odi bowling if he even wants play odi cricket for australia.

He doesn't need to "prove" anything. He's already playing.

 

[pup11]

i meant if clark wants to play odi cricket in future for australia. Because the way he is currently bowling it won't take long before he is dropped.

 

[Smudge]

It's just a little thing, but I just watched the highlights again, and noted the response from the NZ team to Oram's hundred. Sure, the fact he didn't smack that ball over the boundary with three balls to go ruled out a win, but he'd just got a fantastic hundred, and the players on the balcony looked completely disinterested. McMillan was leaning on the door frame and giving a very lazy round of applause and no-one else was too animated either. The self-absorbed jerks.

 

[pup11]

Voltman the win was not out of equation, with 3 balls left 14 runs was possible the way oram was going. Just needed 4 6 4 and that would have been it.

Voltman i answered about your query, that why a team would struggle to win a world cup without a good spinner.

 

[pup11]

Watson took 3 wickets and is not out on 23 against WA in pura cup match. So watson is proving his fitness and form the selectors. Now with haydos making that 117 is he still safe, and if yes then where will watson bat.

 

[Smudge]

Voltman the win was not out of equation, with 3 balls left 14 runs was possible the way oram was going. Just needed 4 6 4 and that would have been it.

Errr, I'm not denying that - although it was actually 16 required off three when Oram was on 98 - the TV scorers had made a slight mistake. He hit it for two, at which point the target became 14 off two. Again, my gripe is with the New Zealand team's lack of enthusiasm.

Voltman i answered about your query, that why a team would struggle to win a world cup without a good spinner

And where exactly might you have done that? This "why a team would struggle to win a world cup without a good spinner" wasn't your initial statement either - you said "name me one world cup winning team that didn't had a good spinner in the team.".

I named one and Slow Love named one.

 

[Craig]

It's just a little thing, but I just watched the highlights again, and noted the response from the NZ team to Oram's hundred. Sure, the fact he didn't smack that ball over the boundary with three balls to go ruled out a win, but he'd just got a fantastic hundred, and the players on the balcony looked completely disinterested. McMillan was leaning on the door frame and giving a very lazy round of applause and no-one else was too animated either. The self-absorbed jerks.

Saw that once before in Wellington in 2000 against Australia, Cairns (and I think Fleming or somebody else) made half centuries and the players just sat there and did nothing.

I hope Oram said something (and let's face it it wouldn't be too wise to get on the wrong side of Oram).

Say what you like of Watson or Oram, but would Watson would have the ability to play like that if he was needed to for Australia? The only people I can think of who could bat like that are Symonds, Gilchrist and too a lesser extent Ponting and or Cameron White.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Very few batsmen have the ability to do what Oram did, especially in a run chase, as opposed to setting a total.

 

[Smudge]

Craig,

The thing is Oram seems (from interviews I've read and comments I've heard through players I know) that he's one of the more level-headed and down-to-earth Black Caps - which is probably why he doesn't fit in...

 

[pup11]

In modern day cricket with flat tracks,better bats, white ball, better protective gear the effectiveness of fast bowlers have certainly diminished. So better than having a one dimensional attack its always an asset to have a wicket taking spinner to give a side a better balance. So you will see voltman each of the world cup winning team since 1992 teams have atleast one quality spinner.

 

[Smudge]

In modern day cricket with flat tracks,better bats, white ball, better protective gear the effectiveness of fast bowlers have certainly diminished. So better than having a one dimensional attack its always an asset to have a wicket taking spinner to give a side a better balance. So you will see voltman each of the world cup winning team since 1992 teams have atleast one quality spinner.

You're remarkably adept at shifting the goalposts to suit your argument - I'm not bothering anymore.

 

[Craig]

Craig,

The thing is Oram seems (from interviews I've read and comments I've heard through players I know) that he's one of the more level-headed and down-to-earth Black Caps - which is probably why he doesn't fit in...

Fair enough, you know more then me on this and probabl a whole lot of other things

I always found Craig McMillan to be right uphimself ****.

 

[pup11]

Voltman buddy it is really not practical to even compare odi cricket in 70's and 80's to the game now .