Fiery
Banned
True. He has his diabetes to fall back on, but you're right, it's bloody enormous
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True. He has his diabetes to fall back on, but you're right, it's bloody enormous
McKanga
School Boy/Girl Captain
Well granted it has been a long time since 200-210 has been an adequate score in an ODI. However that's where England's batting took them too. If they had scored 240 then yes your batting would have lost it for you, but they didn't. Once you had batted the game was there for your bowling and fielding to win or lose.MoxPearl said:
England won because late in the game Flintoff was able to slowly and cautiously edge the total forward rather than slog (he tried it once and was dropped on the boundary, he didn't try it again). In a game of inches runs scored off no-balls made the difference.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
39 of his 66 innings have been at 6 or higher - that's hardly "down the order"
Also, his 2 best averages by position are 7 and 8...
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Bell got 45 - was it a very scratchy one then?
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, he was dropped by McCullum early on, and was nearly caught behind again a few overs later. Then he got bogged down against the spinners and was eventually out.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Whether it's ODIs or Tests Bell seems to need a few lives to score anything substantial against non-minnows.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
New Zealand have very serious problems. Bracewell has got the mix of the lineup completely wrong. Vettori is barely a ODI 8, let along a 7, McMillan is (in all honesty) obese and a liability when it comes to running and the time has come to end the McCullum experiment. How many more runs might New Zealand have scored had McCullum been batting down the order with the tail, rather than throwing his wicket away against the new ball?
They'll be helped by the return of Oram and Scotty, but until then there need to be changes.
Astle
Fleming
Taylor
Fulton
Marshall
McMillan
McCullum
Franklin
Vettori
Gillespie
Bond (if fit)
Even then that side has serious limitations, and I'm extremely nervous about exposing both of our most experienced batsmen to the new ball. And I know, that's VERY harsh on Patel, but we do need 3 seamers to navigate the first 20 overs and have something left for the death. And the batting is a shambles, and we need to bolster it with something, even something as unsubstantial as Hamish Marshall. We'll be able to bring Patel back into the side once Scotty and Oram are back. Franklin bats at no. 7 for his province, and if he wants a show of keeping his spot in the team once the regulars come back, he's gonna have to prove he can win games with bat as well as ball. If he comes in early enough, then I'd be tempted to bat him above McCullum, to give him a bit of time to bat himself in. Bats above Vettori, as seems better at coping with the pressures of ODI cricket.
They'll be helped by the return of Oram and Scotty, but until then there need to be changes.
Astle
Fleming
Taylor
Fulton
Marshall
McMillan
McCullum
Franklin
Vettori
Gillespie
Bond (if fit)
Even then that side has serious limitations, and I'm extremely nervous about exposing both of our most experienced batsmen to the new ball. And I know, that's VERY harsh on Patel, but we do need 3 seamers to navigate the first 20 overs and have something left for the death. And the batting is a shambles, and we need to bolster it with something, even something as unsubstantial as Hamish Marshall. We'll be able to bring Patel back into the side once Scotty and Oram are back. Franklin bats at no. 7 for his province, and if he wants a show of keeping his spot in the team once the regulars come back, he's gonna have to prove he can win games with bat as well as ball. If he comes in early enough, then I'd be tempted to bat him above McCullum, to give him a bit of time to bat himself in. Bats above Vettori, as seems better at coping with the pressures of ODI cricket.
Fiery
Banned
Fair call but we all know he can bat. He's shown us enough in test matches and the odd ODI
Dear New Zealand selectors,
Please play your best players from now on. Please send an SOS to Scott Styris to help our pathetic middle order. Daniel Vettori is not, nor ever will be, the answer to our batting problems. Please do not bat Hamish Marshall at 6 in the order; it's truely mind-blowing that's he's considered a "finisher", when he has virtually no ability to clear the ropes. Please look at what type of players other countries use in this position.
And what has McMillan does to deserve a recall? What has he done since? Please drop him as soon as reasonably practicable (i.e., when Styris arrives).
But most of all, please tell me why someone averaging 17 opening the batting continues to do so. And please tell me why said player is underperforming given the amount of talent he has. Please tell me why suddenly our batting hopes are all pined on Ross Taylor. Is he that good? Or are we that desperate? That latter, I would think.
Please have a settled bating order for the world cup. And please, for the love of God, work with the scientific community to clone Shane Bond.
Regards,
Desperate Follower
Please play your best players from now on. Please send an SOS to Scott Styris to help our pathetic middle order. Daniel Vettori is not, nor ever will be, the answer to our batting problems. Please do not bat Hamish Marshall at 6 in the order; it's truely mind-blowing that's he's considered a "finisher", when he has virtually no ability to clear the ropes. Please look at what type of players other countries use in this position.
And what has McMillan does to deserve a recall? What has he done since? Please drop him as soon as reasonably practicable (i.e., when Styris arrives).
But most of all, please tell me why someone averaging 17 opening the batting continues to do so. And please tell me why said player is underperforming given the amount of talent he has. Please tell me why suddenly our batting hopes are all pined on Ross Taylor. Is he that good? Or are we that desperate? That latter, I would think.
Please have a settled bating order for the world cup. And please, for the love of God, work with the scientific community to clone Shane Bond.
Regards,
Desperate Follower
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jadeey
Cricket Spectator
I second that!!
The Foxtrot
U19 12th Man
and to think you COULD have beaten England in that last match, with the amount of opportunities you had late on in their innings
Fiery
Banned
Well said Macka. Good common sense put to paper from an obviously frustrated but passionate fan. Can we ask the scientific community to genetically modify Shane Bond into a less-injury prone, slightly quicker version?...(OK, that last bit might be a bit too much to ask)
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The Foxtrot
U19 12th Man
why dont you just clone him 10 times
Fiery
Banned
Good point Perm. Bond is not equipped to face the new ball...a pretty good number 9 though...cough, cough
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
No real point in that - you only need 5 of him to get through 50 overs of him, so clone him 4 times.
Complicated
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
What ever happened to Jamie Ryder? I remember lots of people were talking him up as a big future prospect.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
I imagine some ready replacements for faulty models would be welcomed, though!
